The post that was quoted here has been removedI would just take the Norwegian approach: make it so it costs $80-90 for a grown man to get drunk in a bar, and it still costs $40-50 for someone to get drunk at home.
They could also make it so all drunk driving requires at least a week in jail, and make it so that crimes done while intoxicated in public are more likely to tack on penalties as well.
I think that it is impossible to outright ban vices and expect good results.
@bunnyknight saidI am inclined to say that the United States is a very middle of the road country when it comes to alcoholism.
Hah, now that's a good question!
By my own observations at least 90% of Americans are addicted to alcohol. And if you know anything about addiction it's that a person will do ANYTHING to maintain and justify it, no matter how horrid the consequences -- and the massive alcohol industry is more than happy to provide. Have you noticed how in nearly every movie or tv show ...[text shortened]... but in very subtle and clever ways. They know that the best way to hook them is to hook them young.
Americans do not drink as much as folks from the British isles, Eastern Europe, or Northeast Asia. But I do imagine more irresponsible drinking occurs among Americans than it does among people in the Mediterranean world.
I think the US would be somewhere around average but I am not sure how the drinking habits of the M. East, Africa, Latin America, or S. Asia would necessarily factor in.
But it is worth noting that there are strong teetotaling communities in the US due to protestantism and mormonism.
The post that was quoted here has been removedYour source is very disputable.
There are many sources which talk about the prolific nature of Korean alcoholism
https://qz.com/171191/south-koreans-drink-twice-as-much-liquor-as-russians-and-more-than-four-times-as-much-as-americans/
This one is from 2019
https://medium.com/@xreasons/8-reasons-why-south-koreans-drink-more-than-anyone-7267219feaa1
It's a notoriously difficult thing to assess.
But it is my impression that Koreans have an extremely strong drinking culture, though this is fading.
I also think that anything which would also be measuring normal alcohol consumption, with zero accounting for getting drunk, would miss miss point of what were talking about.
Even if Italians have a high rate of alcohol consumption, this is meaningless in terms of being a drinking positive country if this doesn't happen during out of control revelry .
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@bunnyknight saidI hear what you're saying Bunny and regarding DWI or DUI...I agree. It's an act of irresponsibility worthy of no compassion.
I've seen a girl die instantly as she drove home drunk from a dance club, her car scattered across 200 yards of the highway. Years later my friends granddaughter and all her friends got killed by a drunk driver. I've also seen normal people act like very stupid and dangerous donkeyholes when drunk.
So in my opinion anyone who chooses to drink alcohol -- all bets are ...[text shortened]... ghts. Zero. And big warning labels should state that if you drink you'll either kill or be killed.
But, being subjected to consequence-free rape simply for being drunk? That's a step too far methinks.
I'm not certain that the judgement addressed driving under the influence, but rather furthered that age-old affront to women: The one that asserts that "She asked for it!".
And that's wrong.
The post that was quoted here has been removedI had heard that the Japanese drink a fair amount. I asked several Japanese how it compares, and they said that the Japanese probably drink more often than Koreans, but drink less when they do. I'd also heard Japanese people joke about their drinking.
Whatever survey you're leaning on grossly misrepresented the South Korean drinking habits and thus I imagine it is likewise wrong about a number of other countries.
I do not consider China to be a N. E. Asian country.
The post that was quoted here has been removed"Can BunnyKnight cite any reliable statistic evidence that "at least 90% of Americans are addicted to alcohol"?"
My eyes and ears are the evidence. For every 20 people I've met about 19 of them must consume alcoholic beverages on a regular basis. So my 90% figure is very conservative. The real figure could even be as high as 99%.
@wolfe63 saidSo basically you want your daughter to go to a public place full of horny half-drunk males and get drunk herself, and possibly pass out drunk, and be 100% safe from getting raped or molested -- is that about right? Well, why not hire a bodyguard to accompany her -- except when she's passed out the bodyguard might molest her himself. So tell me, what do you desire -- more laws, more police everywhere? And if you get a chance to kill the rapist you have my full permission, but will it unrape your daughter? And do you think the LAW will help the situation? LOL -- they just make everything worse because they never tackle the true cause of crimes.
I hear what you're saying Bunny and regarding DWI or DUI...I agree. It's an act of irresponsibility worthy of no compassion.
But, being subjected to consequence-free rape simply for being drunk? That's a step too far methinks.
I'm not certain that the judgement addressed driving under the influence, but rather furthered that age-old affront to women: The one that asserts that "She asked for it!".
And that's wrong.
And what's worse is that you're living in a very dysfunctional society that doesn't know how to handle either food or sex, which are the two strongest components of all life.
Of course there is a part of China that is in Northeast Asia; just as such, there is a part of China that borders the Siamese peninsula; another part is touching 'central Asia.'
I simply do not consider it part of N. E. Asia.
China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and Mongolia, when collectively referred to in Korean, are known simply as East Asia.
I do not think of China as being part of a 'Northeast Asia.'
https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EB%8F%99%EC%95%84%EC%8B%9C%EC%95%84
The post that was quoted here has been removedDuchess is unaware that it is considered a faux pas for us to distinguish North & South Koreans so adamantly. In Korea, the country is referred to always as Korea, and a distnction between North & South is rarely ever made. Our culture is also thought of as the stand-in for all culture beause the North Koreans exist as prisoners of a tyrant.
Perhaps because Duchess is an operative of a Communist government, she does not see the painful separation of the two countries similarly.
Indeed, one may even expect her to come to the defense of the North Korean regiem considering how she's in the habit of aggressively defending Communist tyranny.
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I pointed out how other surveys actually put Koreans ahead of Russians in terms of drinking, and have talked about your numbers as being flawed.
I am digging no hole.
But, sure, N. E. Asia can conceivably include China because part of China is located in this region. But, I think it is not exactly appropriate. I do not think of China as a central Asian country simply because part of it is touching some countries that are central Asian, and thus it is in thsi region whichcan already be arbitrarily defined.