@KellyJay saidI want to keep categories from getting mixed up. You think people are metaphysically flawed because Adam sinned. That has nothing to do with politics, it belongs in Spirituality. I do not think Charlie Kirk was evil; evil pertains to the soul, a spiritual concept, not a political one.
You want it both ways?
I'm commenting on his behavior, not his soul. He was a racist and a propagator of white supremacist conspiracy theories, as evidenced by his own words. Racism and white supremacism are not spiritual issues, but political ones, and they have very temporal consequences (supposed eternal ones do not concern us here). Inciting people to enact racist policies is not mere expression of opinion, as covered by the right to freedom of speech, and for the same reason that shouting "FIRE!" in a crowded theater when there is no fire is not covered by the right to freedom of speech. Words have consequences, and people must be held accountable for them.
I'm keen to hear whether @fourfivesix thinks the child of a white person and a not-white person is white or not-white. He hasn't answered yet. An awful lot hangs on how this question is answered and how a nation treats people of supposedly mixed-race.
@Zahlanzi saidWow…you believe in murdering someone for having an opinion you don’t agree with.
he didn't express opinions with other scumbags over a beer in some bar. He made a living, a luxurious living, swaying the public towards a darker future. He consistently advocated for evil things and lied to impressionable idiots so they vote for other liars and evil men against their own interests. He didn't care who gets hurt in the process.
You're damn right the world is a better place without him in it, at the very least until someone replaces him.
Beyond hope
@moonbus saidThere one race, human, the colors do not alter the worth of any of us making us more or less than. You suggesting some who put all of humanity into different categories favoring some over the other is the topic. He as a Christian believed all of us are one race and when speaking about how we have been divided you treat that as if he is being a racist.
I want to keep categories from getting mixed up. You think people are metaphysically flawed because Adam sinned. That has nothing to do with politics, it belongs in Spirituality. I do not think Charlie Kirk was evil; evil pertains to the soul, a spiritual concept, not a political one.
I'm commenting on his behavior, not his soul. He was a racist and a propagator of white ...[text shortened]... lot hangs on how this question is answered and how a nation treats people of supposedly mixed-race.
@moonbus saidFirst…your anti-white views are noted
I want to keep categories from getting mixed up. You think people are metaphysically flawed because Adam sinned. That has nothing to do with politics, it belongs in Spirituality. I do not think Charlie Kirk was evil; evil pertains to the soul, a spiritual concept, not a political one.
I'm commenting on his behavior, not his soul. He was a racist and a propagator of white ...[text shortened]... lot hangs on how this question is answered and how a nation treats people of supposedly mixed-race.
Second…” An awful lot hangs on how this question is answered and how a nation treats people of supposedly mixed-race.”
What possible difference does it make what a mixed race person calls themselves?
@KellyJay saidThen why did Charlie Kirk want to limit immigration to keep the US a predominantly white nation IF "races" don't matter?
There one race, human, the colors do not alter the worth of any of us making us more or less than. You suggesting some who put all of humanity into different categories favoring some over the other is the topic. He as a Christian believed all of us are one race and when speaking about how we have been divided you treat that as if he is being a racist.
He did not believe " all of us are one race" and he was a poor Christian and a racist for believing one "race" was superior to others.
Whining about others telling the truth about his views and describing accurate summaries as "hate" is just grade school propaganda.
@KellyJay saidThe great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.
There one race, human, the colors do not alter the worth of any of us making us more or less than. You suggesting some who put all of humanity into different categories favoring some over the other is the topic. He as a Christian believed all of us are one race and when speaking about how we have been divided you treat that as if he is being a racist.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 March 2024
Read that again, carefully. Kirk speaks of a "strategy"-- that means someone has a plan to make something happen, it's not just coincidence that something is happening.
What is it that he claims is being made to happen? Not-white people are replacing white people in certain areas (rural America).
Where are these not-white people coming from? The "southern border", Kirk claimed. What is south of the border? Mexico. What people live south of the border? Predominately Hispanics, people descended from Spaniards. Hispanics are not-white--this is the obvious conclusion of Kirk's words, as confirmed by @fourfivesix (along with Greeks, Italians, and Croatians).
Are these simply factual assertions, that not-whites are replacing whites in rural America? Like saying that a certain variety of corn grows in Kansas. Or is there an evaluation implicit in Kirk's assertions? Did Kirk think this is a good thing, or a bad thing, that not-whites are replacing whites in rural America?
If this is not, at least implicitly, a bad thing that not-whites are replacing whites, then why build a wall to keep them out?
And where is the evidence that someone is planning this strategically? That is what makes the white supremacist claim ("You will not replace us" ) into a conspiracy theory, and the call to put an end to it by political actionism is what makes it an invidious policy with devastating consequences for civil rights (due process and equal protection). OK with me if you don't want to call it "racism", just call it "unconstitutional," if you prefer.
I leave aside the demographic question, what number of not-white people would actually be required to replace the white people in America "with something different". It would certainly require a lot more than a few million.
As for actually replacing a people, the Aleuts, Apaches, Pueblos, Sioux et al would have the better claim to make about having been replaced.
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@Mott-The-Hoople
What possible difference does it make what a mixed race person calls themselves?
None whatsoever. What makes a difference is how a state and its laws, or a society, treats such persons.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nuremberg-race-laws
First…your anti-white views are noted.
You attribute to me views I do not hold.
@moonbus saidWhat has Germany got to do with the US?
@Mott-The-Hoople
What possible difference does it make what a mixed race person calls themselves?
None whatsoever. What makes a difference is how a state and its laws, or a society, treats such persons.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nuremberg-race-laws
First…your anti-white views are noted.
You attribute to me views I do not hold.
You libs cling to unrelated things as if you have a point.
And…
Your postings belies you.
@moonbus saidHis meaning is clarified by this quote from his show a few weeks later:
The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 March 2024
Read that again, carefully. Kirk speaks of a "strategy"-- that means someone has a plan to make something happen, it's not just coincidence that something is ...[text shortened]... leuts, Apaches, Pueblos, Sioux et al would have the better claim to make about having been replaced.
The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 20 March 2024
Apparently he believes the country will "collapse" if it becomes "less white" as a result of the Democratic Party's nefarious scheme.
KellyJay can whimper all day but that is a clearly racist sentiment.
@no1marauder
It is a noble thought that humans are all one race. I happen to agree with KellyJay on that. Races are a social and cultural invention. Charlie Kirk does not agree with us on this point. He thought white people are one race, and Hispanics are another. Matt thinks the same thing. 456 also thinks the same thing. This is not so noble. If KellyJay won’t call that racism, then that is his own peculiar definition of the word.
@no1marauder saidYou dont have a clue what racism is.
His meaning is clarified by this quote from his show a few weeks later:
The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 20 March 2024
Apparently he believes the country will "collapse" if it becomes "less white" as a result of the Democratic Party's nefarious scheme.
KellyJay can whimper all day but that is a clearly racist sentiment.
What is your opinion why democrats wanted to flood our country with other and unknown people?
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@moonbus saidHispanics are mostly mixed race…mulattos mostly.
@no1marauder
It is a noble thought that humans are all one race. I happen to agree with KellyJay on that. Races are a social and cultural invention. Charlie Kirk does not agree with us on this point. He thought white people are one race, and Hispanics are another. Matt thinks the same thing. 456 also thinks the same thing. This is not so noble. If KellyJay won’t call that racism, then that is his own peculiar definition of the word.
You dont believe there are different races but you call someone racist…WTF?
@moonbus saidHe was talking about those coming across the border how they were going to replace citizens with non-citizens that automatically means racist to you?
The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 1 March 2024
Read that again, carefully. Kirk speaks of a "strategy"-- that means someone has a plan to make something happen, it's not just coincidence that something is ...[text shortened]... leuts, Apaches, Pueblos, Sioux et al would have the better claim to make about having been replaced.
@no1marauder saidNationity and the rule of law was the topic, if it was purely race than free passes would have been give to the race of choice, it was not.
Then why did Charlie Kirk want to limit immigration to keep the US a predominantly white nation IF "races" don't matter?
He did not believe " all of us are one race" and he was a poor Christian and a racist for believing one "race" was superior to others.
Whining about others telling the truth about his views and describing accurate summaries as "hate" is just grade school propaganda.
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@moonbus saidI don't identify people by their colour. If you're white, black or mixed race you're equal in my eyes.
I want to keep categories from getting mixed up. You think people are metaphysically flawed because Adam sinned. That has nothing to do with politics, it belongs in Spirituality. I do not think Charlie Kirk was evil; evil pertains to the soul, a spiritual concept, not a political one.
I'm commenting on his behavior, not his soul. He was a racist and a propagator of white ...[text shortened]... lot hangs on how this question is answered and how a nation treats people of supposedly mixed-race.
The reason for my posting that Jesus wasn't white is because people like Trump clearly discriminate against people of colour yet still portray themselves as christian.