Originally posted by FMF You ought to. Al Jazeira holds no candle whatsoever for Ahmadinejad, as you would know if you ever watched it.
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Of course, if he did nuke the Zionists no doubt they would refer to him as a martyre like they do the children running out in the streets of Isreal blowing themselves up in public squares....or do you deny this? I saw this with my own eyes when I did happen to run upon it and I could hardly believe my eyes. They all share the same mental illness grounded in hate if you ask me.
Originally posted by whodey Of course, if he did nuke the Zionists no doubt they would refer to him as a martyre like they do the children running out in the streets of Isreal blowing themselves up in public squares....or do you deny this? I saw this with my own eyes when I did happen to run upon it and I could hardly believe my eyes. They all share the same mental illness grounded in hate if you ask me.
You really ought to watch Al Jazeira. It offers no succour or support for Ahmadinejad. It shows israeli victims of Palestinian terrorist atrocities. It runs longer interviews with Israeli settlers, for instance, than any U.S. networks do. It shows victims of Israeli military action. It interviews Palestinians and shows longer more coherent clips. It has panel discussions where there are people offering real alternative points of view allowed to speak, and speak properly - not in soundbites. As I say you really ought to watch Al Jazeira. You would be able to speak with more authority on issues and news from the Middle East if you were to add it to the sources of information you rely on.
Originally posted by FMF You really ought to watch Al Jazeira. It offers no succour or support for Ahmadinejad. It shows israeli victims of Palestinian terrorist atrocities. It runs longer interviews with Israeli settlers, for instance, than any U.S. networks do. It shows victims of Israeli military action. It interviews Palestinians and shows longer more coherent clips. It has panel di ...[text shortened]... s and news from the Middle East if you were to add it to the sources of information you rely on.
I'll try one more time. This wonderful news source that you apparently have already been betrothed to, says that terrorists, often children, who blow themselves up to kill civilians are martyres!!
Originally posted by whodey This wonderful news source that you apparently have already been betrothed to, says that terrorists, often children, who blow themselves up to kill civilians are martyres!!
It quite simply does not. You are mistaken. If it did, I would find it offensive and would not be inclined to watch it, except as a 'primary source'.
I've laid out, calmly, a rational reason why you should reconsider your misunderstanding of Al Jazeira, and you respond with "This wonderful news source that you apparently have already been betrothed to..."
Originally posted by FMF [bThis is quite a list. As a matter of interest - and in the temporary spirit of undisguised relativism - which of these four people - all bizarrely lauded by Chavez - do posters think is the most egregious offender against human decency and which one is the least egregious offender?[/b]
Ida Amin and Robert Mugabe have both been financially sponsored by the US.
Ahmadinejad hasn't done anything to break international law, I see no offense in giving him a bit of support (although as a socialist I find any form of religious government repulsive and I can only presume Chavez' support is meant to be provocative).
As for the Jackel. Is anything he done as bad as bombing civilians from a B52 bomber?
Originally posted by FMF Well, er... the "other question" as you put it, concerned Mobutu and Soeharto and Saddam Hussein. How much more "evil" were the alternatives to these three, for instance?
Soeharto used U.S. and U.K. weapons to kill whole villages full of innocent people in East Timor. What exactly was the "evil" in play in that scenario?
You said: [b]"I don't think that s trongmen'.
What "greater good" was at stake in Indonesia, for example?[/b]
I'll be honest. I don't have the geopolitical knowledge necessary to intelligently defend arming and/or funding Mobutu and Soeharto. Maybe there was no greater good and funding them is/was an inexcusable blunder. I don't know.
I am not going to assert that Mobutu's tacit support of the tutsi massacres and other atrocities was unforeseeable and thus cannot be blames on US support because, frankly, I don't know the circumstances well enough to make that assertion.
I am not going to argue recent Indonesian history with you any more than you would argue New Jersey electoral politics with me. It's not a fair argument.
I do know enough about the Taliban to have formed the opinion that funding them in the 1980s against the USSR was not a bad decision.
I also wanted to establish my position that helping the lesser of two evils sometimes does make sense.
Originally posted by FMF It quite simply does not. You are mistaken. If it did, I would find it offensive and would not be inclined to watch it, except as a 'primary source'.
I've laid out, calmly, a rational reason why you should reconsider your misunderstanding of Al Jazeira, and you respond with "This wonderful news source that you apparently have already been betrothed to..."
Betrothed to? You're sounding a little emotional.
Can you watch AJ over the internet?
I don't think Verizon carries AJ; although I don't think I've ever turned to half the hundreds of channels that they do offer...
Originally posted by sh76 I am not going to argue recent Indonesian history with you any more than you would argue New Jersey electoral politics with me.
Originally posted by whodey if [Ahmadinejad] did nuke the Zionists ...
...no doubt [Al Jazeira] would refer to him as a martyre like they do the children running out in the streets of Isreal blowing themselves up in public squares....or do you deny this? I saw this with my own eyes when I did happen to run upon it and I could hardly believe my eyes. [...]
I'll try one more time. This wonderful news source [i.e. Al Jazeira] that you apparently have already been betrothed to, says that terrorists, often children, who blow themselves up to kill civilians are martyres!!
Oh dear. We seem to have yet another Forum Fib from whodey. Al Jazeira does NOT say that "terrorists, often children, who blow themselves up to kill civilians are martyres". Every news agency covering the region reports that there ARE people who see the terrorists as martyrs. Al Jazeira doesn't "say" this. And yet you claim they do. You even claim that you "...saw this with my own eyes when I did happen to run upon [a Al Jazeira broadcast] and I could hardly believe my eyes."
Well whodey, it seems we cannot trust you anymore. What you claim to have seen with your own eyes is a blatant and illogical fib. You clearly cannot have watched Al Jazeira, like you claim to have done. And yet you conjure up some outrageous transgression and attribute it to them without a shred of evidence - except your 'eyewitness' testimony, which is clearly another one of your lies.
Originally posted by whodey This wonderful news source that you apparently have already been betrothed to, says that terrorists, often children, who blow themselves up to kill civilians are martyres!!
Perhaps I stand corrected. I have found something on the internet that supports your claims.
Originally posted by FMF [b]Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has defended jailed killer "Carlos the Jackal" and several world leaders he says are wrongly considered "bad guys".
[quote]In a speech to international socialist politicians, Mr Chavez said "Carlos", a Venezuelan, was not a terrorist but a key "revolutionary fighter".
He is serving a life sentence in France for murde ...[text shortened]... against human decency and which one is the least egregious offender?[/b]
"The Venezuelan leader has previously called Carlos a friend, and is reported to have exchanged letters with him in the past."
Chavez and Carlos exchanged letters ? Yeah, Right ! Those dorks remind me of two gay truck drivers. The only thing they ever exchanged were their loads.
23 Nov '09 03:244 edits
Chavez hails 'Carlos the Jackal'
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