Originally posted by KellyJayI would agree. While I would listen to Fox before PMSNBC or the Communist News Network, Fox is far fromperfect. They editorialize the a lot of stories.
Just so I know, why do you believe Fox is bad? I'm sure you have
reasons, but I cannot think of a single American major news outlet
I trust completely and CNN would be the worst of the bunch in my
opinion.
Kelly
I don't want superlatives in my news, I want facts.
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Originally posted by telerionhttp://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=%2Bcnn+debate+plant
Probably because you're a conservative Republican evangelical. You might protest that you are independent, but effectively you're Republican.
Therefore, Fox seems reasonable and CNN seems like a hack source.
If you were a left-wing liberal Democrat you'd find CNN somewhat biased and Fox obscenely biased.
Personally, I think CNN is better than Fo market. Smart business plan actually given they were the big underdog when they started.
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http://www.bloggernews.net/112066
"The most controversial appearance came from retired Brigadier General Keith Kerr, who wanted to know why gays and lesbians are not allowed to serve openly in the armed forces. After his video query was played, Kerr suddenly appeared in person and went on a follow-up discourse about the many benefits to be gained by allowing gays to serve openly in the military. It was later revealed that the general is a co-chair of Hillary Clinton’s veterans’ committee, and that CNN paid Kerr’s air fare to have him flown from California to the debate venue in Florida.
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http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?33517e19-33a0-4d8a-8b44-9eb92d9ec7b8
"As blogger Kevin Aylward put it, CNN's Mr. Cooper apparently expected the TV audience to "believe that a network that could select [Gen. Kerr's] question, find that 13-year-old Romney quote, create the trap for Romney (which he fell face first into), and (presumably) fly Kerr to the debate could not type [Gen. Kerr's name] into Google and find the link to the Hillary Clinton press release, which prior to the debate appeared in the first 10 results for that search."
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Originally posted by zeeblebotQuote:
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http://www.bloggernews.net/112066
"The most controversial appearance came from retired Brigadier General Keith Kerr, who wanted to know why gays and lesbians are not allowed to serve openly in the armed forces. After his video query was played, Kerr suddenly appeared [b]in person an ...[text shortened]... NN paid Kerr’s air fare to have him flown from California to the debate venue in Florida.
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"The most controversial appearance came from retired Brigadier General Keith Kerr, who wanted to know why gays and lesbians are not allowed to serve openly in the armed forces. After his video query was played, Kerr suddenly appeared in person and went on a follow-up discourse about the many benefits to be gained by allowing gays to serve openly in the military."
What I found hilarious was....After Kerr delivered his 2 minute speech (microphone in hand) - The moderator turned to the candidate and said "YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS TO RESPOND".
ROFLMAO...I am still chortleing! 🙄🙄🙄
Originally posted by telerionWow, I think your brain washed! 🙂
Probably because you're a conservative Republican evangelical. You might protest that you are independent, but effectively you're Republican.
Therefore, Fox seems reasonable and CNN seems like a hack source.
If you were a left-wing liberal Democrat you'd find CNN somewhat biased and Fox obscenely biased.
Personally, I think CNN is better than Fo ...[text shortened]... market. Smart business plan actually given they were the big underdog when they started.
Kelly
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Originally posted by zeeblebot[/b]Wait, I just read the article... you mean that in America you have "debates" between the same side?! Between Republicans and with only Republicans allowed to ask the questions? That's a publicity stunt, if any party wants to have a big love in, let them pay for it and boradcast it independantly. Televised debate is supposed to have several viewpoints. Now if CNN offered this tho the republicans, then they should have been very wary. If the republicans asked for this, well they got what they were deserving. Same goes for any other political party. Why are people scared of opening up a debate to criticism?
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=%2Bcnn+debate+plant
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http://www.bloggernews.net/112066
"The most controversial appearance came from retired Brigadier General Keith Kerr, who wanted to know why gays and lesbians are not allowed to serve openly in the armed forces. After his video query was played, Kerr suddenly appeared [b]in p ...[text shortened]... NN paid Kerr’s air fare to have him flown from California to the debate venue in Florida.
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How exactly doe sit work over there? Just two big love ins and the side with the more self-congratulatory dumbasses wins? Where's the debate? It's all about the surprise candidate from the other team walking up to you in the middle of the street and attacking your points and policies, if you can't defend them, if you haven't thought through your policies enough to defend them in 30secs from any attacker, then you don't belong in politics!
http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2007/05/16/story310968.asp
Now that's national politics!
Originally posted by agrysonWe have two major parties, within those two parties they run to be the
Wait, I just read the article... you mean that in America you have "debates" between the same side?! Between Republicans and with only Republicans allowed to ask the questions? That's a publicity stunt, if any party wants to have a big love in, let them pay for it and boradcast it independantly. Televised debate is supposed to have several viewpoints. No ...[text shortened]... /archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2007/05/16/story310968.asp
Now that's national politics![/b]
person that represents that party, from there it is vote for the person
we want. You first have to win the party vote to get to run for the party.
Kelly
Originally posted by telerion"At least CNN tries to be a news organization."
Probably because you're a conservative Republican evangelical. You might protest that you are independent, but effectively you're Republican.
Therefore, Fox seems reasonable and CNN seems like a hack source.
If you were a left-wing liberal Democrat you'd find CNN somewhat biased and Fox obscenely biased.
Personally, I think CNN is better than Fo ...[text shortened]... market. Smart business plan actually given they were the big underdog when they started.
No they don't, they try to present a world view they have like Fox does!
The issue most have with Fox is that they have been getting just one
slant for so long that they think it is odd to get a different point of
view as if that were a bad thing. It is easy to see the bias when it is
not one you agree with verses one that you do agree with.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaySurely that's a party issue though? And also, shouldn't the person better able to defend their policies be a good choice for party candidate?
We have two major parties, within those two parties they run to be the
person that represents that party, from there it is vote for the person
we want. You first have to win the party vote to get to run for the party.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayCNN is just as balanced and fair as is FOX. It all depends on whom you agree with.
I'm not surprised at CNN for what they did in bringing in
Democratic supporters to question the Republican
candidates without disclosing it up front, I have heard it
called the Clinton New Agency before, but now I'm
wondering how true that really is? I don't think it matters
who you support in either party if it appears that CNN was
pushing one side o ...[text shortened]... ere
they favoring one Candidate over another in subtle, but
deliberate ways as well?
Kelly
My ideas about independent fair and balanced newsmedia are fundamentally based on the clear and consequent seperation between facts and opinions ... and that is difficult and complicated enough to start with.
In the United States it seems there are only two ideological ways of looking at things. The way of the Reps or the way of the Dems. But there is much more between ideological heaven and earth than the stands and positions of these two blocks. The split in American political life and the ensuing entrenchment in the political landscape makes American politics rigid and not being able to make the necessary changes in for instance the social field and the necessary changes in foreign affairs.
But alas, the two-party system is necessary for a worldpower like the United States to stay a world power .....
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Originally posted by agrysonMy major complaint is against CNN not the other party, the DNC just
Surely that's a party issue though? And also, shouldn't the person better able to defend their policies be a good choice for party candidate?
took advantage of what was being handed to them on a silver platter.
My complaint as a Republican was that CNN setup the debate for both
the RNC and DNC on their network. They used a DNC operative and
DNC supporters to ask questions to the RNC candidates and did
it without announcing what they were doing, which was misleading
since the premise for the debate was undecided people asking what
was on their minds. They received a few thousand questions from
people to ask, they choose 30; however, they were not undecided
people in several cases at the RNC debate. In addition to that they
put together a situation where a question was asked on ‘U Tube’ by
a guy and after the question was asked, it turns out this person had
been flown in on CNN’s dime and was sitting in the audience, so when
his question was answered by the RNC candidates the person that was
flown in was then asked if their responses were to his liking. This
person was then allowed to speak for a few minutes about how the
RNC candidates didn’t answer his question to his liking in essence
giving a speech in the middle of the RNC debate. This guy works for
the Clinton Champaign! There were no Republican Champaign
representatives flown in on the DNC debates like that, neither were
any allowed to give a brief speech either at the DNC debate. They had
a song sung at the beginning of the debate that mentioned each RNC
candidate by name and took close ups of how they were taking it.
The setup for the CNN RNC debate was a joke as far as I was concern,
but I was happy that those guys stood their ground and under those
conditions did their best. I think the crying would be wide spread and
people’s heads would be called for had Fox did that to the DNC and
not the RNC,
Kelly
