@no1marauder saidIf Trump engaged in insurrection he would have been convicted of it.
Except the Framers of the 14th Amendment didn't say a person had to be convicted of insurrection, instead saying only they had to have engaged in one.
By your logic, Jefferson Davis and all high ranking CSA officials and generals would have been allowed to hold high ranking positions in the US government despite Section 3 of the 14th Amendment since none were convicted of "insurrection". Surely that is not what the Framers of that Section intended.
Or is it your assertion that it is impossible to convict anyone of insurrection?
@metal-brain saidWell, according to Colarado he did.
If Trump engaged in insurrection he would have been convicted of it.
Or is it your assertion that it is impossible to convict anyone of insurrection?
@moonbus saidNo, you support a ban without evidence Trump broke any law. That is called an "opinion". If mere opinions are sufficient for a ban from the primary ballot it is a slippery slope the SCOTUS would never want to be remembered at fault for letting it stand. SCOTUS will overturn it.
a) You're quibbling over terminology. b) Entering the building is not the relevant issue. The CO judge found Trump guilty enough to state that he "engaged in" what the 14th Amendment bans, however you want to call it, the higher court in CO concurred and invoked the ban (which the lower court judge apparently did not feel she had the authority to do).
@shavixmir saidLots of people say that. Lots of people say they went cow tipping too. How many witnesses do they have? It would take at least 6 fully grown men to push over a cow.....if they slept standing up, which they don't.
Well, according to Colarado he did.
If Colorado said there is cow tipping in their state to lure tourists there would you believe them?
@metal-brain saidIt's unnecessary to do so for the Section 3 disqualification provision to apply.
If Trump engaged in insurrection he would have been convicted of it.
Or is it your assertion that it is impossible to convict anyone of insurrection?
That is what those who wrote it obviously intended.
@no1marauder saidNot obvious. Trump did not break the law of insurrection. That is obvious to me, but not you. He was never convicted of it. Not even charged with it. Is attempting to start WW3 with lies a crime? I believe that is war crime and Biden is guilty. Is it obvious to you or are you still looking through thick blue partisan glasses?
It's unnecessary to do so for the Section 3 disqualification provision to apply.
That is what those who wrote it obviously intended.
There is a certain order of law that any lawyer knows should take place. First you charge a person with a crime before you find them guilty.
@metal-brain saidYou're ignoring my point for obvious reasons.
Not obvious. Trump did not break the law of insurrection. That is obvious to me, but not you. He was never convicted of it. Not even charged with it. Is attempting to start WW3 with lies a crime? I believe that is war crime and Biden is guilty. Is it obvious to you or are you still looking through thick blue partisan glasses?
There is a certain order of law that any lawyer knows should take place. First you charge a person with a crime before you find them guilty.
The Section doesn't require a conviction for insurrection and that is what matters.
@metal-brain saidWhat the hell are you on?
Lots of people say that. Lots of people say they went cow tipping too. How many witnesses do they have? It would take at least 6 fully grown men to push over a cow.....if they slept standing up, which they don't.
If Colorado said there is cow tipping in their state to lure tourists there would you believe them?
You can disagree with the court’s decision, but you can’t say they didn’t bloody well make it.
Go and gaslight your mother or something.
@no1marauder said😂@ marerider
It's unnecessary to do so for the Section 3 disqualification provision to apply.
That is what those who wrote it obviously intended.
@no1marauder saidYour point is irrelevant. SCOTUS will surely overturn it.
You're ignoring my point for obvious reasons.
The Section doesn't require a conviction for insurrection and that is what matters.
How many democrats are on the SCOTUS? Do you seriously think all the republicans on the SCOTUS bench will accept a reverse process in the justice system? And then suffer the backlash of disdain for it from their own republican friends and colleagues? I am not confident of that at all.
I am confident in one thing though. If the SCOTUS ever let that decision stand Trump will surely be president as a result. You also don't see how wrong headed your position is. We cannot have this happen again regardless of how much Trump may deserve it, because it will not stop there once the precedent is set.
Should I call the Michigan SC and urge them to prevent Biden from getting on the MI ballot because he attempted to start WW3? Biden did exactly that and I proved it on here multiple times. I already have the evidence, but Biden supporters rarely admit that when I post the evidence. Will you?
@shavixmir saidIt will never stand. The highest court will strike it down for certain.
What the hell are you on?
You can disagree with the court’s decision, but you can’t say they didn’t bloody well make it.
Go and gaslight your mother or something.
Do you think you can convince someone that people should be found guilty before they are charged with a crime?
You don't even have any evidence Trump broke the law on Jan. 6th and you Trump haters are still fooling yourself that guilt by association makes sense. no1 told his 6 friends to tip a cow on my brother's farm. The cow was injured. no1 is guilty of conspiracy to cow tip. He needs to compensate my brother for the vet bill. Are you on board with that?
@metal-brain saidOh, he will be. The prosecution is gearing up.
If Trump engaged in insurrection he would have been convicted of it.
Or is it your assertion that it is impossible to convict anyone of insurrection?
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@metal-brain saidDid you happen to catch No.1 on an open mic telling his personally invited ("it will be wild!" ) armed mob to 'march to that field over there and tip a cow'? No. I thought not.
It will never stand. The highest court will strike it down for certain.
Do you think you can convince someone that people should be found guilty before they are charged with a crime?
You don't even have any evidence Trump broke the law on Jan. 6th and you Trump haters are still fooling yourself that guilt by association makes sense. no1 told his 6 friends to tip a co ...[text shortened]... nspiracy to cow tip. He needs to compensate my brother for the vet bill. Are you on board with that?
When a head of state exclaims "who will rid me of this turbulent priest!" it is not a rhetorical question. That is what Trump did on an open mic on Jan. 6th.
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@metal-brain saidI have no idea what this lawless SCOTUS will do.
Your point is irrelevant. SCOTUS will surely overturn it.
How many democrats are on the SCOTUS? Do you seriously think all the republicans on the SCOTUS bench will accept a reverse process in the justice system? And then suffer the backlash of disdain for it from their own republican friends and colleagues? I am not confident of that at all.
I am confident in one t ...[text shortened]... lready have the evidence, but Biden supporters rarely admit that when I post the evidence. Will you?
I do know that you are wrong to try to add a requirement to Section 3 of the 14th Amendment thar its Framers thought unnecessary.
By your logic, Jefferson Davis could have ran for President in 1868. That is surely something Section 3 was meant to foreclose.