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  1. 09 Dec '15 22:59
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/10/more-than-90-percent-of-middle-eastern-refugees-on-food-stamps/


    Are we running such a surplus that we can afford to bring people into the country who are pretty much guaranteed to go on public assistance?
  2. 09 Dec '15 23:34
    Boston bombing suspect’s family reportedly received $100G from taxpayers

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/30/boston-bombing-suspects-family-reportedly-received-100g-from-taxpayers/
  3. 10 Dec '15 01:51 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/10/more-than-90-percent-of-middle-eastern-refugees-on-food-stamps/

    Are we running such a surplus that we can afford to bring people into the country who are pretty much guaranteed to go on public assistance?
    Breitbart Is another right-wing American propaganda website.

    In fact, many Middle Eastern refugees came from prosperous backgrounds in their homelands.
    Many recently arrived refugees find that their standards of living go down initially in the United States.
  4. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    10 Dec '15 09:22
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Breitbart Is another right-wing American propaganda website.

    In fact, many Middle Eastern refugees came from prosperous backgrounds in their homelands.
    Many recently arrived refugees find that their standards of living go down initially in the United States.
    I will hope they go somewhere else and leave more here for me.
  5. 10 Dec '15 10:01
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/10/more-than-90-percent-of-middle-eastern-refugees-on-food-stamps/


    Are we running such a surplus that we can afford to bring people into the country who are pretty much guaranteed to go on public assistance?
    they are people who escaped horror (that you americans caused) with nothing more than what they could carry, you colossal douche. of course they are on food stamps, they are refugees.

    they are also doctors, engineers, entrepreneurs, artists. the majority of them will not stay on food stamps for long, they will find jobs. they will start companies. they will give back to your economy.
  6. 10 Dec '15 14:35
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/10/more-than-90-percent-of-middle-eastern-refugees-on-food-stamps/


    Are we running such a surplus that we can afford to bring people into the country who are pretty much guaranteed to go on public assistance?
    A large fraction of people receiving food stamps are working and should not be considered as being on "public assistance."
  7. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    10 Dec '15 14:55
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/10/more-than-90-percent-of-middle-eastern-refugees-on-food-stamps/


    Are we running such a surplus that we can afford to bring people into the country who are pretty much guaranteed to go on public assistance?
    I imagine you wanted to write "cheque" but were insufficiently literate to climb that intellectual mountain.

    Says it all really.
  8. 11 Dec '15 00:01 / 1 edit
    I meant check. I suppose you look down on how Americans spell words.

    http://grammarist.com/spelling/check-cheque/

    Yes, that does say it all.


    Are countries running surplus budgets each year? If they are not, then why bring in people you can't afford to feed?
  9. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    11 Dec '15 00:35 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Eladar
    I meant check. I suppose you look down on how Americans spell words.

    http://grammarist.com/spelling/check-cheque/

    Yes, that does say it all.


    Are countries running surplus budgets each year? If they are not, then why bring in people you can't afford to feed?
    'Check' and 'cheque' are different words - they are just homonyms. They are spelled differently for that reason. The American incapacity to grasp such details of language is depressing. Dumbing down can be taken too far. You are turning into a nation of creationists and illiterates, which is mad, since literacy and bible reading once went hand in hand.

    One can "bring in people" because we can afford to feed them and they are net contributors, as shown in countless studies around the world. Migrants are typically younger and more economically active, more likely to be highly motivated and more likely to be prepared to put in the hard work required to succeed. The intelligent question is if the developed countries can afford not to draw in migrants and most informed studies think not.

    In any case, migrants are people with their own rights and needs which we do need to respect. The idea that the wealthy can live in a fortress from which they exclude all migrants is just foul and ultimately self defeating anyway. .

    Government budget surpluses, despite the current mantra, are not associated with economic success but with economic stagnation. The determination of neoliberal economists and politicians to drive our economies into the mud by sucking all dynamism out of the economy is wildly distressing. If you do not invest you will not prosper. If you look into the way people lived in the 19th century you will see nothing attractive about it. You are an idiot to want to go back to those conditions. (The free land and natural resources America enjoyed through its expanding frontier have been enclosed and privatised and that pathway to opportunity will not return.)
  10. 11 Dec '15 00:37
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Because you can afford to feed them and they are net contributors, as shown in countless studies around the world. Migrants are typically younger and more economically active, more likely to be highly motivated and more likely to be prepared to put in the hard work required.
    If migrants come and get on welfare, then they are not contributors.

    Welfare has changed the name of the game when it comes to letting in migrants. The words bring us your poor were written way before welfare. It made sense to let in the poor if they worked or died. Now it does not make sense to bring in the world's poor who dine on workers' taxes.
  11. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    11 Dec '15 00:56
    Originally posted by Eladar
    If migrants come and get on welfare, then they are not contributors.

    Welfare has changed the name of the game when it comes to letting in migrants. The words bring us your poor were written way before welfare. It made sense to let in the poor if they worked or died. Now it does not make sense to bring in the world's poor who dine on workers' taxes.
    Wrong. You cannot evaluate their contribution based on their initial status. In addition you are neglecting questions about their human rights, which are not incidental.
  12. 11 Dec '15 12:41
    Originally posted by Eladar
    If migrants come and get on welfare, then they are not contributors.

    Welfare has changed the name of the game when it comes to letting in migrants. The words bring us your poor were written way before welfare. It made sense to let in the poor if they worked or died. Now it does not make sense to bring in the world's poor who dine on workers' taxes.
    people stay on welfare because they have no other choice. they struggle to get out of welfare. you calling them all moochers is just you mindlessly repeating fox news propaganda because you lack the intelligence to come up with a coherent thought.
  13. 11 Dec '15 14:29
    Originally posted by Eladar
    If migrants come and get on welfare, then they are not contributors.

    Welfare has changed the name of the game when it comes to letting in migrants. The words bring us your poor were written way before welfare. It made sense to let in the poor if they worked or died. Now it does not make sense to bring in the world's poor who dine on workers' taxes.
    The notion that the United States, one of the wealthiest societies in the world, cannot "afford" to provide meager benefits to migrants is ludicrous.

    Of course, aside from that it is not true that migrants are, in general, a burden on the economy.
  14. 11 Dec '15 14:31
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    people stay on welfare because they have no other choice. they struggle to get out of welfare. you calling them all moochers is just you mindlessly repeating fox news propaganda because you lack the intelligence to come up with a coherent thought.
    As we increase the floor, it becomes increasingly expensive to add additional people. It's mindless to deny reality.
  15. 11 Dec '15 14:55
    Originally posted by quackquack
    As we increase the floor, it becomes increasingly expensive to add additional people. It's mindless to deny reality.
    Unfortunately for you, what reality tells us is that it is in general beneficial for an economy to take steps to alleviate income inequality, so instead of it being "expensive" it creates value and makes economic sense to do so.