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  1. 03 Dec '09 18:30
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579071,00.html

    Copenhagen Climate Conference to Create 'Huge' Carbon Footprint

    Thursday, December 03, 2009
    By Joshua Rhett Miller

    Talk about your global warming . . . When an estimated 16,500 delegates, activists and reporters descend upon Copenhagen Monday for the United Nations Climate Change Conference, a lot of hot air will follow.

    The U.N. estimates the 12-day conference will create 40,584 tons of carbon dioxide equivalents, roughly the same amount as the carbon emissions of Morocco in 2006.

    Those greenhouse gas emissions are comprised of two parts: international travel and local emissions from hotels and transportation venues. Organizers will also reportedly lay 900 kilometers of computer cable and 50,000 square miles of carpet, along with more than 200,000 meals to be served and 200,000 cups of coffee.

    The conference will leave an enormous carbon footprint, says Patrick Michaels, senior fellow for environmental studies at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank in Washington.

    “It will be huge,” Michaels said of the environmental toll. “Where is video conferencing when we need it? An equally important question is what will be accomplished here?”

    Approximately 140 aircraft carrying world leaders, heads of state and VIPs will land in Copenhagen, the U.N. estimates — although 95 percent of departures from Copenhagen Airport will be “green departures,” which allow airplanes to climb continuously to their optimal operating level, enabling them to reach planned routes sooner than usual. The result, according to the U.N., is saved time, fuel and carbon emissions.

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  2. 03 Dec '09 18:31
    ...

    But Michaels wonders why attendees, particularly those in Europe, can't ride the rails into Copenhagen.

    “That’s the way I get to New York,” Michaels said. “There’s nothing new here. There’s always been a lot of hypocrisy amongst the climate change political community.

    "Prince Charles goes around the world in a private jet, telling everyone else they need to ration their carbon dioxide. Please.”

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  3. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    03 Dec '09 18:35
    Yes, we should have global summits without the politicians now.

    What a moron.
  4. 03 Dec '09 18:36
    videoconferencing. rail travel. do they not have those in your little corner of the world?
  5. 03 Dec '09 18:38
    sorry. you can't help it. i should've checked your flag, first.
  6. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    03 Dec '09 18:42
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    videoconferencing. rail travel. do they not have those in your little corner of the world?
    Rail travel. For a world summit. Hahaha!

    What a moron.
  7. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    03 Dec '09 18:43
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    sorry. you can't help it. i should've checked your flag, first.
    What's wrong with my flag, spambot?
  8. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    03 Dec '09 18:44
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank in Washington.
    lulz
  9. 03 Dec '09 18:47
    EARTH to PALYNKA! Copenhagen is in EUROPE! HELLOOOOO, PALYNKA!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_Europe
  10. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    03 Dec '09 18:49
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    EARTH to PALYNKA! Copenhagen is in EUROPE! HELLOOOOO, PALYNKA!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_Europe
    Let me repeat: WORLD summit.

    Seriously, are you this stupid?
  11. 03 Dec '09 18:51
    Originally posted by Palynka
    What's wrong with my flag, spambot?
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Um_casal_de_Viana_(Portugal).jpg
  12. 03 Dec '09 18:53
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Let me repeat: WORLD summit.

    Seriously, are you this stupid?
    EARTH to PALYNKA! does a WORLD LEADER in EUROPE have take an AIRPLANE to a summit in COPENHAGEN?!?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hearing_aid_20080620.jpg
  13. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    03 Dec '09 18:55
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Um_casal_de_Viana_(Portugal).jpg
    Good stuff. Viana is a beautiful place.
  14. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    03 Dec '09 18:58
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    EARTH to PALYNKA! does a WORLD LEADER in EUROPE have take an AIRPLANE to a summit in COPENHAGEN?!?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hearing_aid_20080620.jpg
    So these 140 aircraft from your text are coming all from Europe? What a moron. In case you didn't know, most of the people are NOT coming from Europe.

    Secondly, of course a top government official doesn't have time to waste so flying by plane is perfectly justified. Especially if it's to broker a deal that could actually save the world.

    But tell me, do you worry or not about carbon emissions? Because if you don't you're a hypocrite. I do. But the emission of Morocco in 2006 is a VERY small price to pay for the chance of a proper deal. No hypocrisy here, lot's of hypocrisy there.

    And more hypocrisy from you for relying on think-tanks to think for you when attacking scientists guilty of doing the same.
  15. 03 Dec '09 18:58 / 1 edit
    i want to go there. (vianna)