Copenhagen carbon footprint matches Morocoo 2006

Originally posted by Palynka
So these 140 aircraft from your text are coming all from Europe? 😵 What a moron. In case you didn't know, most of the people are NOT coming from Europe.

Secondly, of course a top government official doesn't have time to waste so flying by plane is perfectly justified. Especially if it's to broker a deal that could actually save the world.

But tell me, elying on think-tanks to think for you when attacking scientists guilty of doing the same.

the people going to copenhagen should be the first to reduce their carbon footprint, instead, they're raising theirs and telling the rest of us to lower ours.

europe has the densest concentration of nations, conveniently located for rail travel to copenhagen.

do you think ALL the leaders have to travel by rail to realize a carbon savings?

but even better, if world leaders are so concerned, they could ALL videconference, reduce their travel expenditure to ZERO atoms of CO2 emitted, SAVE the PLANET, and leave a PAPER TRAIL.

i'm not getting your last bit ... i am not PAID to dispassionately examine the verity of AGW Theory ...

Originally posted by zeeblebot
the people going to copenhagen should be the first to reduce their carbon footprint, instead, they're raising theirs and telling the rest of us to lower ours.

europe has the densest concentration of nations, conveniently located for rail travel to copenhagen.

do you think ALL the leaders have to travel by rail to realize a carbon savings?

but even etting your last bit ... i am not PAID to dispassionately examine the verity of AGW Theory ...

the people going to copenhagen should be the first to reduce their carbon footprint, instead, they're raising theirs and telling the rest of us to lower ours.

No, I don't agree. I think no job in a country should be as important as the head of government so these are the LAST that should cut emissions. If they have to raise it minimally (I'd like to see those ridiculous figures for the Morocco equivalence, I bet just the Casablanca airport has more than 140 flights in a week and, if not, it's pretty damn close).

europe has the densest concentration of nations, conveniently located for rail travel to copenhagen.
Conveniently located? Do you even have an idea of how long it takes to travel by train from most European countries to Copenhagen? And most don't have high-speed rail.

do you think ALL the leaders have to travel by rail to realize a carbon savings?
I don't think any leaders should travel by rail just to satisfy your pathetic populism. They are the LAST that should be cutting on their carbon savings.

but even better, if world leaders are so concerned, they could ALL videconference, reduce their travel expenditure to ZERO atoms of CO2 emitted, SAVE the PLANET, and leave a PAPER TRAIL.
That's just not how international diplomacy works and it's disingenuous to believe it. Tell you what, they force YOU, me and everybody else to cut their emissions and the planet is saved.

i am not PAID to dispassionately examine the verity of AGW Theory ...
LOL, exactly. The Cato Institute think tank is the one being paid to give you propaganda and you happily gulp it down for free like a good boy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/eureka/article6935211.ece

December 3, 2009
Greenwash: The last chance to stop global warming...until next time
The Copenhagen summit is part of a never-ending circus that is about so much more than just climate change

(graphic) (presumably travel methods from London to Copenhagen):

0 kg: Walking (and swimming, it would take about 26 days)
27 kg: Train (via Eurotunnel)
120 kg: Motorbike (and ferry)
277 kg: Ferry (Harwich to Esbjerg and car)
400 kg: Plane (Heathrow to Copenhagen)
480 kg: Car (via Eurotunnel)

they forgot

0 kg: Videoconferencing

Originally posted by zeeblebot
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/eureka/article6935211.ece

December 3, 2009
Greenwash: The last chance to stop global warming...until next time
The Copenhagen summit is part of a never-ending circus that is about so much more than just climate change

(graphic) (presumably travel methods from London to Copenhagen):

0 kg: Walking (an ...[text shortened]... wich to Esbjerg and car)
400 kg: Plane (Heathrow to Copenhagen)
480 kg: Car (via Eurotunnel)

It takes 13 hours to travel by train from Brussels to Copenhagen (follow your own link).

Originally posted by zeeblebot
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/eureka/article6935211.ece

December 3, 2009
Greenwash: The last chance to stop global warming...until next time
The Copenhagen summit is part of a never-ending circus that is about so much more than just climate change

(graphic) (presumably travel methods from London to Copenhagen):

0 kg: Walking (an ...[text shortened]... wich to Esbjerg and car)
400 kg: Plane (Heathrow to Copenhagen)
480 kg: Car (via Eurotunnel)

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COPs usually attract about 5,000 delegates, observers and journalists, but the sense of the world being on the edge of an abyss means that about double that number will be in Copenhagen. The same number of activists are expected to travel to the city, many staying in the hippy commune of Christiania where they will plot various stunts and blockades.
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Most will arrive by plane, generating an enormous carbon footprint, though a special climate express will carry 400 delegates on a 13-hour train ride from Brussels to Copenhagen. Yet when the conference ends and no one is watching, many of the rail martyrs will quietly fly home.

The delegates may come from 192 countries but they all belong to the same travelling circus and they greet each other like old friends. Many going to Copenhagen are veterans of the Rio Earth Summit of 1992. And in addition to the annual COPs, these delegates attend smaller meetings several times a year. Last month they met for five days in Barcelona at the final UN climate talks before Copenhagen. They spent a week in Bangkok in October. In recent years, the circus has also been to Buenos Aires, Marrakesh, Milan, Montreal, Nairobi and Bali.

Spending so much time away from home gives delegates plenty of opportunity to continue their discussions in a more intimate manner outside the conference hall. This is known in COP circles as carbon dating. Bill Hare, an Australian climate scientist and COP veteran, met his wife, one of the German Government’s climate change negotiators, at the Kyoto summit in 1997. “I’m aware of several other couples who met at these climate meetings. It’s not surprising given how much time we spend together,” Hare says. “People refer to us as the dinosaurs because we have been attending the talks for so long.”

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Originally posted by Palynka
It takes 13 hours to travel by train from Brussels to Copenhagen (follow your own link).

and?

Originally posted by zeeblebot
and?

LOL! That's ironic coming from a paste and run guy.

Originally posted by zeeblebot
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COPs usually attract about 5,000 delegates, observers and journalists, but the sense of the world being on the edge of an abyss means that about double that number will be in Copenhagen. The same number of activists are expected to travel to the city, many staying in the hippy commune of Christiania where they will plot various stunts and blockades. ...[text shortened]... ople refer to us as the dinosaurs because we have been attending the talks for so long.”

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The main change that Hare has noticed in the past decade is the gradual disappearance of organisations that are sceptical about man-made climate change. They used to set up stall alongside environmental groups in the exhibition spaces outside conference halls. Now that space is monopolised by the green lobby, which also controls most of the fringe events.

There was almost no debate at the Barcelona conference about the causes of climate change or how quickly temperatures would rise. The delegates spent the whole time arguing over how to share the burden of dealing with the problem.

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Originally posted by zeeblebot
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The main change that Hare has noticed in the past decade is the gradual disappearance of organisations that are sceptical about man-made climate change. They used to set up stall alongside environmental groups in the exhibition spaces outside conference halls. Now that space is monopolised by the green lobby, which also controls most of the fringe e ...[text shortened]... s spent the whole time arguing over how to share the burden of dealing with the problem.

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Funny, the flat-earth guys also started to disappear at some point in time.

Originally posted by Palynka
LOL! That's ironic coming from a paste and run guy.

and what's the big deal about 13 hours?

i went to the Rail Europe site, while looking up a fare it showed a list of activities i might like to try while in europe, one of them was "looking up someone's kilt by mistake".

i get 14.5 hours, 1930 to 1000 the next day.

but that's 14.5 hours they're not sitting at home, screwing you over!

http://www.raileurope.com/us/rail/point_to_point/results.htm?rows=&itemId=-1&fn=fsRequest&cobrand=public&c=USD&from1=&to1=&roundtrip=0&from0=Brussels&to0=copenhagen&deptDate0=01%2F05%2F2010&time0=anytime&time1=anytime&nA=1&nY=0&nC=0&nS=0

if Al Gore took a rowboat from the US to Denmark, the potential savings could be in the trillions!

Originally posted by zeeblebot
if Al Gore took a rowboat from the US to Denmark, the potential savings could be in the trillions!

Only if it sinks. 😛