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25 Oct 20
@metal-brain saidYou might want to cut back on eating pencils and tuna too.
The death count in the USA is exaggerated. The lock down measures have killed more people than SARS2. Some countries have it worse because of low selenium in their soil. China, for example.
Lead and mercury.
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25 Oct 20
@no1marauder saidSo ridiculous. So routine.
From the enfant terrible presently infesting 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue:
"Trump railed against media coverage of the coronavirus pandemic: "That's all I hear about now. Turn on the TV, 'Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid."
Maybe because:
"The U.S. reported more than 83,000 new confirmed cases on Friday, shattering the previous record of more than 77,000 cases in Jul ...[text shortened]... ia-too-focused-on-pandemic-as-us-hits-record-cases-%e2%80%93-election-updates/ar-BB1amajG?li=BBnbfcL
He's thoroughly rendered himself and his opinions irrelevant.
In fact, at this point, we may have to consider early-stage dementia or late-stage syphilis. He's got the history.
In either case, the country's ready for an "excision".
🙂
25 Oct 20
@no1marauder saidI have no idea what eldar claimed and what sources of info he presented, but I never made the claim until now. You obviously have me confused with someone else. Death rates vary from country to country because of elderly populations, selenium in the soil and other factors, but SARS2 deaths have been greatly exaggerated. Here is my source, but I am not claiming SARS2 is no more dangerous than the flu, just not a lot more. Also, if certain treatments not under patent protection were not being suppressed and the CDC recommended getting enough selenium in our diets we have the potential to reduce deaths substantially.
This nonsense was proven wrong months ago when you, Eladar and a few others were spouting it.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/who-accidentally-confirms-covid-no-more-dangerous-flu/5726311
25 Oct 20
@metal-brain saidI'm not interested in your crank selenium in the ground theory.
I have no idea what eldar claimed and what sources of info he presented, but I never made the claim until now. You obviously have me confused with someone else. Death rates vary from country to country because of elderly populations, selenium in the soil and other factors, but SARS2 deaths have been greatly exaggerated. Here is my source, but I am not claiming SARS2 is no ...[text shortened]... ally.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/who-accidentally-confirms-covid-no-more-dangerous-flu/5726311
The CDC estimates flu deaths in the US and for the last ten years they've averaged around 35,000 never going higher than 61,000. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
The official figure for COVID deaths this year is well north of 200,000 with about 5,000 more being reported each week and more than two months to go. And:
"The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC produces by multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. These coefficients are based on assumptions of how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths they believe went unreported. In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts."
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/
25 Oct 20
@no1marauder saidSo now you are a science denier?
I'm not interested in your crank selenium in the ground theory.
The CDC estimates flu deaths in the US and for the last ten years they've averaged around 35,000 never going higher than 61,000. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
The official figure for COVID deaths this year is well north of 200,000 with about 5,000 more being reported each week and more ...[text shortened]... erican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0048969701008890
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200429105907.htm
You are so dogmatic you have resorted to denying science. Are you proud of yourself now?
25 Oct 20
@metal-brain saidThose articles propose a link between levels of dietary selenium and enhanced resistance to viral diseases. Unfortunately, the fact that COVID deaths are much higher per population in the US than relatively low dietary selenium China leads to the opposite conclusion than you are claiming.
So now you are a science denier?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0048969701008890
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200429105907.htm
You are so dogmatic you have resorted to denying science. Are you proud of yourself now?
At any rate:
" That finding suggests that redox-active selenium species formed at high selenium intake might hypothetically inhibit SARS-CoV-2 proteases. We consider the tactics that SARS-CoV-2 could employ to evade an adequate host response by interfering with the human selenoprotein system. Recognition of the myriad mechanisms by which selenium might potentially benefit COVID-19 patients provides a rationale for randomised, controlled trials of selenium supplementation in SARS-CoV-2 infection."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213231720309204
So sure more research might be justified as to the effects of dietary selenium on viral diseases, but that doesn't mean having more in the ground in Area A than Area B is going to have any measurable effect.
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@no1marauder saidI meant at my own data from the link I posted from the control of disease site, not the conspiratorial claptrap.
Don't bother. It's an article from early May absurdly claiming that COVID is a hoax because excess deaths in the US were only up slightly in the first quarter - most of a time period when the pandemic hadn't hit here. The results now are clear:
"Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66😵 excess dea ...[text shortened]... e the expected figure since late March: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
I’m not a covid denier, I had a friend die of it, of it alone, no underlying issues.
What I do question is the broad spectrum lethality of the so called “deadly disease”. We have “cases” in the millions in the UK and yet we only had 187 deaths on the day, two days ago. Meanwhile 8 million - EIGHT MILLION people are in full lockdown in the UK with millions of others being ruined financially.
The average age of covid death in the uk is 82+ and OLDER than the average death overall.
It’s gotten out of fuking hand and people will suffer for generations across health care, social care, education.
That’s what I’m questioning.
@no1marauder saidChina has both. Some regions are very low in selenium and other regions are high. The benefits of selenium to fight corona viruses is well known science. Do a simple internet search. It isn't hard to find.
Those articles propose a link between levels of dietary selenium and enhanced resistance to viral diseases. Unfortunately, the fact that COVID deaths are much higher per population in the US than relatively low dietary selenium China leads to the opposite conclusion than you are claiming.
At any rate:
" That finding suggests that redox-active selenium species ...[text shortened]... doesn't mean having more in the ground in Area A than Area B is going to have any measurable effect.
The covid19 death count in the US is overstated. Hospitals have an incentive to over count them for gov. money. You are aware of that, right?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/hospitals-getting-paid-more-label-cause-death-coronavirus/5709720
25 Oct 20
@divegeester saidHow old was your friend that died?
I meant at my own data from the link I posted from the control of disease site, not the conspiratorial claptrap.
I’m not a covid denier, I had a friend die of it, of it alone, no underlying issues.
What I do question is the broad spectrum lethality of the so called “deadly disease”. We have “cases” in the millions in the UK and yet we only had 187 deaths o ...[text shortened]... suffer for generations across health care, social care, education.
That’s what I’m questioning.
You might find this of interest to you since you are a Brit.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/removal-form-5-cremation-certificate-deaths-covid-19-coronavirus-act/5726092
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25 Oct 20
@metal-brain saidWhat is it you think global governments are trying to achieve?
How old was your friend that died?
You might find this of interest to you since you are a Brit.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/removal-form-5-cremation-certificate-deaths-covid-19-coronavirus-act/5726092
25 Oct 20
@divegeester saidA nearly cashless society
What is it you think global governments are trying to achieve?
A compulsory SARS2 vaccine containing hydrogels and possibly RNA modification technology.
Control in general.
25 Oct 20
@metal-brain said🙄
A nearly cashless society
A compulsory SARS2 vaccine containing hydrogels and possibly RNA modification technology.
Control in general.
@divegeester saidHow is the IC capacity holding up?
I meant at my own data from the link I posted from the control of disease site, not the conspiratorial claptrap.
I’m not a covid denier, I had a friend die of it, of it alone, no underlying issues.
What I do question is the broad spectrum lethality of the so called “deadly disease”. We have “cases” in the millions in the UK and yet we only had 187 deaths o ...[text shortened]... suffer for generations across health care, social care, education.
That’s what I’m questioning.
How many people hospitalized?
How many regular surgeories are being postponed?
1.139 hospital emmissions yesterday, for example. And that’s with a semi-lockdown, social distancing, etc.
Without any measures the NHS would break within a week.
I’ve explained this all before: it’s not about deaths. It’s about keeping the country running as good as possible.
Without any measures the UK’s economy, food distribution, healthcare, etc. would sink within weeks.
@divegeester saidThe UK death figures are deliberately undercounted as you well know apparently so people of your political persuasion can make the type of argument that you are making. Only confirmed deaths within 28 days of an actual positive test are included which omits the substantial majority of actual COVID related deaths. Even with such statistical funny business, the death toll has increased more than 5 fold since October 1st as measured by a 7 day rolling average. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
I meant at my own data from the link I posted from the control of disease site, not the conspiratorial claptrap.
I’m not a covid denier, I had a friend die of it, of it alone, no underlying issues.
What I do question is the broad spectrum lethality of the so called “deadly disease”. We have “cases” in the millions in the UK and yet we only had 187 deaths o ...[text shortened]... suffer for generations across health care, social care, education.
That’s what I’m questioning.
To repeat what should be painfully obvious, you can't have a "normal" economy during the middle of a deadly pandemic.
25 Oct 20
@Metal-Brain
The death count if anything, is too low. THAT IS A FACT JACK. Take your trollometer elsewhere, like maybe ANTARCTICA.