The Dutch parliament adopts by a wafer-thin majority a motion that says that chanting “From the River to the Sea Palestine will be Free” is a criminal act of incitement to violence.
The motion, which is not binding, passes thanks to a single vote in a 74-73 split in the Tweede Kamer, the lower house of the Dutch Parliament, which has 150 seats. The motion’s author is Maikel Boon, a lawmaker for the Party for Freedom of Geert Wilders, which was the largest in the 2023 elections and recently announced that it has put together a ruling coalition under its leadership.
Wilders, an anti-Islam, far-right politician, in a vocal supporter of Israel and a self-described promoter of what he calls Judeo-Christian values. The slogan “comes right off the Hamas charter and is therefore a call for violence against all Jews worldwide,” the motion states. The slogan, which references the Jordan River and the Mediterranean, has emerged in recent months a common feature of anti-Israel protests.
Although the motion is not binding on the prosecution service or judges, it is nonetheless the strongest official document on the subject to date in the Netherlands.The Dutch parliament adopts by a wafer-thin majority a motion that says that chanting “From the River to the Sea Palestine will be Free” is a criminal act of incitement to violence.
The motion, which is not binding, passes thanks to a single vote in a 74-73 split in the Tweede Kamer, the lower house of the Dutch Parliament, which has 150 seats. The motion’s author is Maikel Boon, a lawmaker for the Party for Freedom of Geert Wilders, which was the largest in the 2023 elections and recently announced that it has put together a ruling coalition under its leadership.
Wilders, an anti-Islam, far-right politician, in a vocal supporter of Israel and a self-described promoter of what he calls Judeo-Christian values. The slogan “comes right off the Hamas charter and is therefore a call for violence against all Jews worldwide,” the motion states. The slogan, which references the Jordan River and the Mediterranean, has emerged in recent months a common feature of anti-Israel protests.
Although the motion is not binding on the prosecution service or judges, it is nonetheless the strongest official document on the subject to date in the Netherlands.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/dutch-parliament-passes-motion-calling-from-the-river-to-the-sea-criminal-incitement/
@Earl-of-Trumps saidWhy do you need to burn any flag?
Yup, we all lose some of our rights when Israel is involved.
In the US, if you burn the Israeli flag, you can be charged with a hate crime, antisemitism.
they suck
@Earl-of-Trumps saidDont know what Camptown Races is. You Americans speak to the rest of the world as if we dont have lives of our own down here, and all we do is follow whats going on in your country.
Hey, I don't want to sing "Camptown Races" but I'll be dammed if I'm going to let some creeps say I *can't* sing it.
You do know that in America, you can burn the American flag, right?
I think you should be able to burn any flag you like but if the intention of burning the flag is to incite hatred then maybe it is a good thing to stop it.
@Rajk999 saidShouldn't happen, freedom of expression issue, granted there's a gray area with objective incitement but censoring this wont stop the fanatics. What can happen is when the ijits wake up to what it actually means, what they're actually chanting they may experience a learning moment and can reflect on what they're siding with.
[i]The Dutch parliament adopts by a wafer-thin majority a motion that says that chanting “From the River to the Sea Palestine will be Free” is a criminal act of incitement to violence.
The motion, which is not binding, passes thanks to a single vote in a 74-73 split in the Tweede Kamer, the lower house of the Dutch Parliament, which has 150 seats. The motion’s author is Ma ...[text shortened]... liveblog_entry/dutch-parliament-passes-motion-calling-from-the-river-to-the-sea-criminal-incitement/
Plus there'll be the Streisand effect, tell someone not to do it, and it becomes elevated, the ijits will think they're being more naughty and edgy. Not only in the Netherlands but the chant gains notoriety everywhere and the naughty children think they're being outlaws by repeating it.
Let them have their chant, identify the fanatics, make them subject to ridicule, wake a few of the mis-guided up to what they're part of.
@Wajoma saidIn principle that sounds nice, but these "river to the sea' protests get out of hand and it is a drain on resources to deal with these idiots.
Shouldn't happen, freedom of expression issue, granted there's a gray area with objective incitement but censoring this wont stop the fanatics. What can happen is when the ijits wake up to what it actually means, what they're actually chanting they may experience a learning moment and can reflect on what they're siding with.
Plus there'll be the Streisand effect, tell someo ...[text shortened]... he fanatics, make them subject to ridicule, wake a few of the mis-guided up to what they're part of.
The problem with: “From the river…”
Is not the actual meaning.
It was first coined in a socialist context, meaning that all who live in Palestine (Israel) should live their as free people.
Then along comes Hamas… and their interpretation of it is anti-Jewish, in so far that they couldn’t care less about Jews, but they want Palestine to be a moslim state.
And therefore that chant has become infected and really shouldn’t be used.
Sort of like the Swastika. Yes, the original context is that of peace, love and harmony, but if I fly a swastika from my bedroom window, nobody’s gonna invite me to the birthday party.
Meanings and symbolism change.
@Rajk999 saidOf course it's to incite hatred, always does when a protester burns the American flag. No problem, right?
Dont know what Camptown Races is. You Americans speak to the rest of the world as if we dont have lives of our own down here, and all we do is follow whats going on in your country.
I think you should be able to burn any flag you like but if the intention of burning the flag is to incite hatred then maybe it is a good thing to stop it.
It comes down my right to express my *political* opinion, regardless the result
PS: Camptown races is just an example. Use any song you like
@Earl-of-Trumps saidNor should you. 🙂
Hey, I don't want to sing "Camptown Races"
dum de dum 'Somebody bet on the bay.'
@Earl-of-Trumps saidSo the important thing is not the act of burning the flag, but what it is supposed to signify or to accomplish. If it is to incite hatred then that is where they crime begins.
Of course it's to incite hatred, always does when a protester burns the American flag. No problem, right?
It comes down my right to express my *political* opinion, regardless the result
PS: Camptown races is just an example. Use any song you like
@shavixmir said'socialist context' and 'free people' in the same sentence from shag pseudy for brains.
The problem with: “From the river…”
Is not the actual meaning.
It was first coined in a socialist context, meaning that all who live in Palestine (Israel) should live their as free people.
Then along comes Hamas… and their interpretation of it is anti-Jewish, in so far that they couldn’t care less about Jews, but they want Palestine to be a moslim state.
And therefo ...[text shortened]... my bedroom window, nobody’s gonna invite me to the birthday party.
Meanings and symbolism change.
Larfs for the day.
@Wajoma saidYou wouldn’t know what socialism was if they were nationalisinf your balls, you ignorant retard.
'socialist context' and 'free people' in the same sentence from shag pseudy for brains.
Larfs for the day.
Back in your cage, gimp boy, back in your cage.
We’ll rattle the 💩 can when we want your opinions.
@shavixmir saidI know that it's the opposite of freedom, perhaps the issue is not my understanding of socialism but rather your misunderstanding of freedom.
You wouldn’t know what socialism was if they were nationalisinf your balls, you ignorant retard.
Back in your cage, gimp boy, back in your cage.
We’ll rattle the 💩 can when we want your opinions.