Da Vinci code facts

Originally posted by darvlay
I won't miss it one bit.

:'(

Originally posted by twhitehead
Facts have nothing to do with what you would "rather believe".
If you are Christian you should believe much of what you can understand from the Bible. If you are not then you look at the available known history and make your own judgement about what is most likely. However there is very little actual evidence that Jesus even existed in the first place. T ...[text shortened]... facts glaringly wrong and could not possibly have known about others without "inspiration"

The Bible doesn't state whether or not Jesus was married and had children because it wasn't pertinent to the story, which was that God loves you but has high expectations. And yes, there is indeed actual evidence that Jesus the man existed, just as there is evidence that Mohammed existed. People's beliefs about him differ, but that doesn't mean you can ignore historical records.

Originally posted by reader1107
The Bible doesn't state whether or not Jesus was married and had children because it wasn't pertinent to the story, which was that God loves you but has high expectations. And yes, there is indeed actual evidence that Jesus the man existed, just as there is evidence that Mohammed existed. People's beliefs about him differ, but that doesn't mean you can ignore historical records.

Are these historical records other than the bible? What are they?

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Really?

Oh, come on! Who rec'd this? You HAVE to be joking!?!

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Oh, come on! Who rec'd this? You HAVE to be joking!?!

The resident God botherers woult rec a faecal lump if it quoted a passage from the bible.

Originally posted by shavixmir
Da Vinci Code Fact #2

It was crap!
Foucault's pendulum by Umberto Eco (which covers the same ground and more) is far better.

Hi shav, did you like 'the name of the rose'? Or see the movie?

However there is very little actual evidence that Jesus even existed in the first place.

boy you just blew that out your butt. you must have a PhD in bull crap. there is much surviving evidence that a man named jesus christ walked the earth, along with his disciples and many of the future prophets.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Are these historical records other than the bible? What are they?

http://www.probe.org/content/view/18/77/
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nonbiblical+evidence+of+jesus&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.carm.org/bible/extrabiblical_accounts.htm
http://home.freeuk.net/jesusmyth/page8.htm
http://www.westarkchurchofchrist.org/library/extrabiblical.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/2393209.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Are these historical records other than the bible? What are they?

Well, there are the apocryphal Gospels.

But why do you think the New Testament books cannot be used to support/prove the historicity of Jesus?

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Well, there are the apocryphal Gospels.

But why do you think the New Testament books cannot be used to support/prove the historicity of Jesus?

Because a good historian look for multiple lines of independant evidence.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Because a good historian look for multiple lines of independant evidence.

But there are 27 NT books written by roughly half a dozen authors over a 50-year period in different locations.

Why do you think that is not "independent" enough for a historian?

EDIT: And there are still the Apocryphal Gospels and other early Christian writings (e.g. 'Didache', 'Shepherd of Hermas', 'Protoevangelium'😉 to contend with!

Originally posted by reader1107


http://www.probe.org/content/view/18/77/
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nonbiblical+evidence+of+jesus&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.carm.org/bible/extrabiblical_accounts.htm
http://home.freeuk.net/jesusmyth/page8.htm
http://www.westarkchurchofchrist.org/library/extrabiblical.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/2393209.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

Are these historical records other than the bible? What are they?

http://www.probe.org/content/view/18/77/
Sorry cant find any source quoted here that refers to Jesus seperately from the Bible. A few references to Christians though.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nonbiblical+evidence+of+jesus&btnG=Google+Search
Not much use unless you tell me which of the 60,000 results you were refering to.

http://www.carm.org/bible/extrabiblical_accounts.htm
http://home.freeuk.net/jesusmyth/page8.htm
http://www.westarkchurchofchrist.org/library/extrabiblical.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/2393209.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Mostly similar to the first one. The only reference I have spotted so far is the Talmud. All the rest are references to Christians which obviously are post gospels and all info is based on those gospels.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
But there are 27 NT books written by roughly half a dozen authors over a 50-year period in different locations.

Why do you think that is not "independent" enough for a historian?

EDIT: And there are still the Apocryphal Gospels and other early Christian writings (e.g. 'Didache', 'Shepherd of Hermas', 'Protoevangelium'😉 to contend with!

One word.

Harmonization.

Feel free to disprove that should you wish.

Originally posted by twhitehead
[b]Are these historical records other than the bible? What are they?

http://www.probe.org/content/view/18/77/
Sorry cant find any source quoted here that refers to Jesus seperately from the Bible. A few references to Christians though.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nonbiblical+evidence+of+jesus&btnG=Google+Search
Not much use unl ...[text shortened]... eferences to Christians which obviously are post gospels and all info is based on those gospels.[/b]

The beeb one shows a tomb of someone called John who had a father called Joseph and a brother called Jesus. Hardly conclusive, must have been thousands fitting that description.

Originally posted by reader1107
http://www.probe.org/content/view/18/77/
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nonbiblical+evidence+of+jesus&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.carm.org/bible/extrabiblical_accounts.htm
http://home.freeuk.net/jesusmyth/page8.htm
http://www.westarkchurchofchrist.org/library/extrabiblical.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/2393209.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

But I can't seem to find "The Gospel according to Mary Magdalene" anywhere...