Originally posted by NemesioAnd you are willing to suspend using the Bible to explain the Bible because it makes you feel better about your warped beliefs.
Look, just because someone invents a non-Biblical, outrageous
scenario to explain what is obviously a contradiction does not
constitute a refutation.
Judas has two different, mutually exclusive deaths. Creating absurd,
improbable scenarios doesn't change this.
Jesus was crucified on two mutually exclusive days. Creating a
definition of Passover ...[text shortened]... parately need the Bible to be
inerrant in order to believe. It's a bloody tragedy.
Nemesio
Touche.
Originally posted by NemesioPossible contradictions are only contradictions until you use other sections of the Bible to explain it. Such as figurative ideas, double entendres, etc.
Can you explain further, because this sentence doesn't seem
to make sense to me.
Nemesio
It's not me pulling it out of the air, it's me seeing where it's explained elsewhere in the Bible.
Originally posted by DarfiusHave you come across anything in the Bible that you cannot reconcile?
Possible contradictions are only contradictions until you use other sections of the Bible to explain it. Such as figurative ideas, double entendres, etc.
It's not me pulling it out of the air, it's me seeing where it's explained elsewhere in the Bible.
Originally posted by kirksey957Kirk: "One of the wonderful things about Jesus' ministry was his confronting and addressing issues that he could not reconcile."
One of the wonderful things about Jesus' ministry was his confronting and addressing issues that he could not reconcile. He could have followed the pharisaic party-line as there were no "contradictions."
Keep looking. Keep living. Things come up.
Reading this coming from your pen and experiencing your constant dodging of serious and controversial issues raised in these forums and on top of that the fact of you too frequently not answering questions despite promises, doesn't exactly bring a smile to my face, Kirk.
Originally posted by ivanhoeI can only hope that one day I may meet your approval.
Kirk: "One of the wonderful things about Jesus' ministry was his confronting and addressing issues that he could not reconcile."
Reading this coming from your pen and experiencing your constant dodging of serious and controversial issues raised in these forums and on top of that the fact of you too frequently not answering questions despite promises, doesn't exactly bring a smile to my face, Kirk.
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Originally posted by kirksey957Why are you so interested in my approval ?
I can only hope that one day I may meet your approval.
In my view you are too much concerned, preoccupied so to speak, with winning people's approval. That's one of the major problems you've got. You want to please people and win their approval. An attitude found too frequently among preachers and priests these days.
Originally posted by ivanhoeIvanhoe, I was being facetious. I'm not interested in your approval. Look, here is what happened. I responded to a guy that has stirred a lot of negative response from people. I felt I was respectful and polite to him. Yet, for some reason, you always pull out the trump card "you don't answer my questions and avoid me." I could answer any question you have, but if it is not the answer you want then I "avoided the question." That is the constant game you play.
Why are you so interested in my approval ?
In my view you are too much concerned, preoccupied so to speak, with winning people's approval. That's one of the major problems you've got. You want to please people. An attitude found too frequently among preachers and priests these days.
Originally posted by kirksey957Kirk: "Ivanhoe, I was being facetious."
Ivanhoe, I was being facetious. I'm not interested in your approval. Look, here is what happened. I responded to a guy that has stirred a lot of negative response from people. I felt I was respectful and polite to him. Yet, for some reason, you always pull out the trump card "you don't answer my questions and avoid me." I could answer any quest ...[text shortened]... not the answer you want then I "avoided the question." That is the constant game you play.
Always dodging, always trying to escape and hide.
Kirk: " I felt I was respectful and polite to him."
I felt it differently, Kirk.
I have NEVER found you on the side of someone who was being bullied on the site, you were ALWAYS on the side of the bullies, "making the tent bigger", as you so eloquently explained your stance.
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Originally posted by ivanhoeI'm not sure who's being bullied on this thread. Everybody seems to think they're givin' as good as they get. Thought your little "I wonder who will win?" post, right in the thick of it, was a good piece of comic relief though.🙂
Kirk: "Ivanhoe, I was being facetious."
Always dodging, always trying to escape and hide.
Kirk: " I felt I was respectful and polite to him."
I felt it differently, Kirk.
I have NEVER found you on the side of someone who was ...[text shortened]... the tent bigger", as you so eloquently explained your stance.
Originally posted by ivanhoeSeems to me Kirk was giving the young warrior some sage advice, not that anyone asked me ...
Kirk: "Ivanhoe, I was being facetious."
Always dodging, always trying to escape and hide.
Kirk: " I felt I was respectful and polite to him."
I felt it differently, Kirk.
I have NEVER found you on the side of someone who was being bullied on the site, you were ALWAYS on the side of the bullies, "making the tent bigger", as you so eloquently explained your stance.
Originally posted by DarfiusOk. Let's try this again.
Possible contradictions are only contradictions until you use other sections of the Bible to explain it. Such as figurative ideas, double entendres, etc.
It's not me pulling it out of the air, it's me seeing where it's explained elsewhere in the Bible.
Jesus was crucified after the Passover (Sts Mark, Matthew, and Luke).
Jesus was crucified before the Passover (St John).
Both are in the Bible. It says very specific things which have no leeway
for interpretation in both accounts, such as the 'Day of Preparation' and
the 'Passover meal.'
Now, you made the claim that the Jews used these terms to mean something
more general, like the 'Day of Preparation' doesn't mean THE day, but A day.
The Passover meal doesn't mean THE Passover meal, but a meal BEFORE Passover.
This is unsupported by any contemporary Jewish source (or, if you have one, show
me). THE Passover means THE Passover. THE Day of Preparation means THE Day
of Preparation.
How is your imaginary, non-literal, reinterpretation of something which has no
basis in Jewish history not 'pulling it out of the air?' Where is this 'explained
elsewhere in the Bible?'
Nemesio