@eladar saidI don't know where such figures come from, but they seem to consider only Federal Income Tax in the US, while counting all types of taxes in other countries. This is an apples to oranges comparison.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj_9fXgnMbjAhXB0J8KHemmB5MQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Ftax-rates-take-home-salaries-40-countries-2018-5&psig=AOvVaw1f7G29L_TrY9t0MuVQVqSh&ust=1563805812588234
Kaz make sure you are talking post tax income.
Our tax rates are far higher than 18%: f you add up the four income-based categories of taxation (Federal, state/local, Social Security, and Medicare), the average American's effective tax rate is 29.8%. This is in addition to any consumption-based taxes paid, such as sales tax, property tax, or other taxes on specific items.
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/03/04/whats-the-average-americans-tax-rate.aspx
Since: the overall average sales tax rate in the U.S. was 8.45% in mid-2015, according to a report from Thomson Reuters. (Ibid.)
and there's still property and other taxes to consider, the "practical tax rate" must be close to or above 40%.
@eladar saidYou're having some trouble keeping on track. Your post-tax income is before deductions by your employer for health care coverage.
Lol, you are pathetic. Our take home pay has healthcare insurance taken out. Take home pay is the money people actually get to spend. It is the only true way to compare.
It would be fine to compare the net pay after costs for health care, education, etc. and if you do that you'll find that a typical Norwegian earns more.
@kazetnagorra saidEducation is free in the US. Healthcare is free for many.
You're having some trouble keeping on track. Your post-tax income is before deductions by your employer for health care coverage.
It would be fine to compare the net pay after costs for health care, education, etc. and if you do that you'll find that a typical Norwegian earns more.
It would be nice if someone would actually crunch those numbers.
@kazetnagorra saidEven if comparing medians is more "fair" than comparing averages, considering them without also looking at the cost of living is myopic. Norway may rank highly, but when it's not ranked as the most expensive country in the world, it's always top 5. The US usually doesn't even make it into the top 20.
I see. You think wrong.The typical worker earns a higher salary in Norway than in any other country in the world, with Norwegian wage earners taking home more than double the median per-capita global income, a Gallup survey of household incomes published on Tuesday has revealed.
The median income in Norway came out at just under 120,000 kroner per year ($19,3 ...[text shortened]... ng country.
https://www.thelocal.no/20131217/average-norwegian-earns-worlds-highest-salary
Another factor to consider is that Norwegian figures are distorted by oil.
@eladar saidNeither of those things are even remotely true.
Education is free in the US. Healthcare is free for many.
It would be nice if someone would actually crunch those numbers.
@ashiitaka saidEither way, Eladar's notion that "everyone is poor" in Norway is obviously false.
Even if comparing medians is more "fair" than comparing averages, considering them without also looking at the cost of living is myopic. Norway may rank highly, but when it's not ranked as the most expensive country in the world, it's always top 5. The US usually doesn't even make it into the top 20.
Another factor to consider is that Norwegian figures are distorted by oil.
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@kazetnagorra saidYou think European societies are socialist?
You think people are "struggling" in wealthy European societies?
Would Marx say that they have achieved their socialist utopia?
@shavixmir saidWhat are the greatest misconceptions about Marx in your opinion?
Hey man, since you're struggling with socialism and Marx, I thought I'd help you out.
There's quite a good summary for you to start with:
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Kapital
Of course, I take it for granted you speak German.
You don't?
Dearly me. It's so I unlike me to overestimate you, yet here I am... doing it again.
Oh well.
@kazetnagorra saidI did not say everyone in Norway is poor. They are just poorer than they need to be.
Either way, Eladar's notion that "everyone is poor" in Norway is obviously false.
@whodey saidThe second-largest group in the EP is socialist, and socialists used to be more influential in the postwar era.
You think European societies are socialist?
Would Marx say that they have achieved their socialist utopia?
@kazetnagorra saidDo the Proletariat run things in Europe?
The second-largest group in the EP is socialist, and socialists used to be more influential in the postwar era.
@whodey saidExactly.
You think European societies are socialist?
Would Marx say that they have achieved their socialist utopia?
Those countries in Europe are not socialist.
That would be like calling Canada socialist.
I'm not sure what those northern European countries as well as Canada should be classified under but it's not socialist.
And that book Das Kapital...sucks.
Page after page of..."if I make coats and you make tables we should trade with coats and tables"
Jesus 🙄...just going to the grocery store would require a tractor trailer full of tradeable items just so I can get some damn food? No thanks.
And... what the hell does shavixmir know about countries and economics?
Isn't she from Scotland?
A country that is barely holding on?
I watched a video about Scotland, it was so sad 😔
Those poor pathetic people.