1. Subscribershavixmir
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    Hey man, since you're struggling with socialism and Marx, I thought I'd help you out.

    There's quite a good summary for you to start with:

    https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Kapital

    Of course, I take it for granted you speak German.

    You don't?

    Dearly me. It's so I unlike me to overestimate you, yet here I am... doing it again.

    Oh well.
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    21 Jul '19 13:39
    It's people who live under socialism and Marxism that struggle, not Whodey.
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    21 Jul '19 13:49
    @shavixmir said
    Hey man, since you're struggling with socialism and Marx, I thought I'd help you out.

    There's quite a good summary for you to start with:

    https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Kapital

    Of course, I take it for granted you speak German.

    You don't?

    Dearly me. It's so I unlike me to overestimate you, yet here I am... doing it again.

    Oh well.
    You should read The New Class.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Class:_An_Analysis_of_the_Communist_System
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    21 Jul '19 13:52
    @earl-of-trumps said
    It's people who live under socialism and Marxism that struggle, not Whodey.
    You think people are "struggling" in wealthy European societies?
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    @KazetNagorra

    I am not saying "all", Kaz. But I will tell you this, the economic misery will take hold eventually. Remember, the infrastructure such of duch countries was already established like it was in Russia before the revolution. And as time went along, it was clear that the "progressive" movement was going backwards and Russia/USSR could not even keep up with the maintenance. It takes time to destroy a nation's infrastructure but they will eventually.
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    @earl-of-trumps said
    @KazetNagorra

    I am not saying "all", Kaz. But I will tell you this, the economic misery will take hold eventually. Remember, the infrastructure such of duch countries was already established like it was in Russia before the revolution. And as time went along, it was clear that the "progressive" movement was going backwards and Russia/USSR could not even keep up with the maintenance. It takes time to destroy a nation's infrastructure but they will eventually.
    When do you predict "the economic misery will take hold"?
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    @kazetnagorra said
    When do you predict "the economic misery will take hold"?
    You are already seeing banking problems in Europe, as well as many struggling economies like Italy, Spain and Greece.

    But standard of living is relative. If everyone is poor then you do not know it. You figure that is just normal. Obviously you cannot take care of yourself so you need the government to take care of you.

    As long as the US bails out the banks and pumps money into European economies with our military bases, Europe will be ok.
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    @eladar said
    You are already seeing banking problems in Europe, as well as many struggling economies like Italy, Spain and Greece.

    But standard of living is relative. If everyone is poor then you do not know it. You figure that is just normal. Obviously you cannot take care of yourself so you need the government to take care of you.

    As long as the US bails out the banks and pumps money into European economies with our military bases, Europe will be ok.
    You think that "everyone is poor" in Norway, Denmark etc.?
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    @kazetnagorra said
    You think that "everyone is poor" in Norway, Denmark etc.?
    I think the richer parts of Europe are sucking on the US tit by underspending on their defense budget and expecting the US to pay for everything.

    As long as you think most people should be paid about 5 dollars an hour, of course nations like Norway are great. Since you do believe most people should make 5 dollars an hour, it appears great.
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    @eladar said
    I think the richer parts of Europe are sucking on the US tit by underspending on their defense budget and expecting the US to pay for everything.

    As long as you think most people should be paid about 5 dollars an hour, of course nations like Norway are great. Since you do believe most people should make 5 dollars an hour, it appears great.
    I see. You think wrong.

    The typical worker earns a higher salary in Norway than in any other country in the world, with Norwegian wage earners taking home more than double the median per-capita global income, a Gallup survey of household incomes published on Tuesday has revealed.
    The median income in Norway came out at just under 120,000 kroner per year ($19,300), according to Gallup, well ahead of a typical income of $18,630 in Sweden, the next highest earning country.

    https://www.thelocal.no/20131217/average-norwegian-earns-worlds-highest-salary
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    @KazetNagorra

    Check out Switzerland. The article I saw said they bring home on average 84k.

    For the US

    Practical tax rate: 18%

    Average pre-tax salary: $64,154

    Average post-tax salary: $52,344

    Netherlands

    Practical tax rate: 41%

    Average pre-tax salary: $51,669

    Average post-tax salary: $30,562
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    @eladar said
    @KazetNagorra

    Check out Switzerland. The article I saw said they bring home on average 84k.
    No, that's not the median per-capita household income, which is what was mentioned here. This survey didn't consider Switzerland, but it has a similar GDP to Norway, so the median income is probably comparable or slightly lower since Switzerland has more income inequality.

    The U.S. has around 25% lower incomes than Norway.
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    @kazetnagorra said
    No, that's not the median per-capita household income, which is what was mentioned here. This survey didn't consider Switzerland, but it has a similar GDP to Norway, so the median income is probably comparable or slightly lower since Switzerland has more income inequality.
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj_9fXgnMbjAhXB0J8KHemmB5MQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Ftax-rates-take-home-salaries-40-countries-2018-5&psig=AOvVaw1f7G29L_TrY9t0MuVQVqSh&ust=1563805812588234

    Kaz make sure you are talking post tax income.
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    @eladar said

    Kaz make sure you are talking post tax income.
    That would be a misleading way of presenting the data, as Americans have more things to spend their post-tax income on than Norwegians, such as health care and education.
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    @kazetnagorra said
    That would be a misleading way of presenting the data, as Americans have more things to spend their post-tax income on than Norwegians, such as health care and education.
    Lol, you are pathetic. Our take home pay has healthcare insurance taken out. Take home pay is the money people actually get to spend. It is the only true way to compare.
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