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What the heck, it's the 4th of July! Thought I'd give our right wingers a chance to finally read the US' Founding document (it's pretty clear most don't have a clue about it). So here goes with some bolding for emphasis by me:

In Congress, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

EDIT: Guess the text won't let me bold for some reason.

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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,"

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"He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only."

The People in the District of Colombia and Puerto Rico take note.

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"He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither,"

Apparently the Founders weren't crazy about anti-immigration laws.

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"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."

Hey no document is perfect; the warfare waged against "Indian Savages" was about as much of an "undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions." as could be imagined.

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"We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends."

I like it; for too long we have been taught that Country A,B, C etc. and their People are our "enemies" and we should hate and fear them. The Founders seem to have had a more optimistic take on the rest of Mankind.

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@no1marauder said
"We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends."

I like it; for too long we have been taught that Country A,B, C etc. and their People are our "enemies" and we should hate and fear them. The Founders seem to have had a more optimistic take on the rest of Mankind.
It’s a bit Captain obvious that nations that your at peace with are not your enemies and those your at war with are your enemies.
It’s as if they fell in love with their own voice and could not stop prattling on.
Government by the people for the people is revolutionary for it’s day, it’s a shame they went on to shackle future generations by tying them to a document that could not possibly cater for the complexity and nuance of the future US.

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@kevcvs57 said
It’s a bit Captain obvious that nations that your at peace with are not your enemies and those your at war with are your enemies.
It’s as if they fell in love with their own voice and could not stop prattling on.
Government by the people for the people is revolutionary for it’s day, it’s a shame they went on to shackle future generations by tying them to a document that could not possibly cater for the complexity and nuance of the future US.
They said "Friends" not "not your Enemies". And it's hardly "obvious" Americans have been taught for a long time to regard certain countries as our Enemies even though we are not at war with them.

If you're referring to the Constitution written 11 years later it certainly has its flaws, but it contains provisions for amendment and even another Constitutional Convention if the People decide it is necessary. So future generations were and are hardly "shackled".

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@kevcvs57 said
It’s as if they fell in love with their own voice and could not stop prattling on.
Government by the people for the people is revolutionary for it’s day,
Not even that. Many of the best bits they nicked from the Dutch Plakkaat van Verlatinghe.

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@no1marauder said
"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."

Hey no document is perfect; the warfare waged against "Indian Savages" was about as much of an "undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions." as could be imagined.
George Washington was probably still bitter about how the Iroquois “Half King” Tanacharison murdered French prisoners of war in 1754 forcing a major war between the two powers.

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@no1marauder
Actually a lot of right wingers read this just yesterday, after the barbecue and before the fireworks, with their kids, like every year. We don't require your instruction. Have fun arguing with the lefties about it.

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@no1marauder said
"He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither,"

Apparently the Founders weren't crazy about anti-immigration laws.
Sleepy any thoughts on this?

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@sleepyguy said
@no1marauder
Actually a lot of right wingers read this just yesterday, after the barbecue and before the fireworks, with their kids, like every year. We don't require your instruction. Have fun arguing with the lefties about it.
Rote rendition hardly equates to understanding.

Try explaining to Mott, Earl, Joe etc. etc. that individuals have rights besides those written in the Constitution.

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@athousandyoung said
Sleepy any thoughts on this?
I go this, Sleepy. Hey, Teach!....Marauder! Your confusing posts may be reason that the jjimmm person writes like an idiot, something to think about it. I get a bit twitchy, myself.
We do have immigration laws. Love your saying 'anti-immigration" laws. Anyway, we gladly have admitted millions of immigrants, love them to death. Constitution framers were correct, and would approve. While I have your attention, what do you think they would think about President Biden, after all the work that had been done for 244 years, before he took office?

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@no1marauder said
Rote rendition hardly equates to understanding.

Try explaining to Mott, Earl, Joe etc. etc. that individuals have rights besides those written in the Constitution.
Yes. So? Dont tell me that you are one of the persons that do not understand the Roe decision, and that has elected to harp about abortion from a different point of view. Marauder, that point of view has been on the forum for years....Should a woman abort (or be able to abort) of her own volition. Great question, y'all stay with it. But don't confuse people like Jimmmmm by bringing the Constitution into it. It is not involved, nor is SCOTUS.

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