Yeah,, I asked him for 2 weeks for a definition. Do you think he just could not 'say' mob rule?
"Control of a (group) by a majority of its members."
"Rule by the majority". (uhhh, the would be 51😵
That would also be called mob rule.... by us cons, that is, not by the mob itself. They don't like being referred to as a mob,,,,makes folks think of Marx and Lenin.
Anyway, doing my Forum-patriotic duty in the name of Sonhouse. Got it, Sonhouse. Rest easy.
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@averagejoe1 saidOdd though, don't 'ya think?
Yeah,, I asked him for 2 weeks for a definition. Do you think he just could not 'say' mob rule?
"Control of a (group) by a majority of its members."
"Rule by the majority". (uhhh, the would be 51😵
That would also be called mob rule.... by us cons, that is, not by the mob itself. They don't like being referred to as a mob,,,,makes folks think of Marx and Lenin.
Anyway, doing my Forum-patriotic duty in the name of Sonhouse. Got it, Sonhouse. Rest easy.
Hillary Clinton got some 6 MILLION more votes,
than did TRUMP. Isn't that a majority?
@averagejoe1 saidSo.......if 60-80% of Texans support abortions, then the government should take that into account ?
Yeah,, I asked him for 2 weeks for a definition. Do you think he just could not 'say' mob rule?
"Control of a (group) by a majority of its members."
"Rule by the majority". (uhhh, the would be 51😵
That would also be called mob rule.... by us cons, that is, not by the mob itself. They don't like being referred to as a mob,,,,makes folks think of Marx and Lenin.
Anyway, doing my Forum-patriotic duty in the name of Sonhouse. Got it, Sonhouse. Rest easy.
Majority rules, right ?
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@mghrn55 saidIf they have an election on abortion, and the state is going with the mob making the rules, then that is the way it would be. But 51% voting on such a HUGE issue is a bit much..... A mob should not make such decisions, and hopefully a state will see the danger,,,,yes, the danger, ,, in that.
So.......if 60-80% of Texans support abortions, then the government should take that into account ?
Majority rules, right ?
So, yes, if 80% of Texans support abortions, then abortions, in a fair vote, without question, should be allowed to occur. That is more than a mob.........that is all AvJoe is asking for.
Majority rules is not the issue...that would be 51%.......right?
Right? I hate right. No one ever needed to say that when I was growing up. I googled it, Suzianne is listed as the inventor of that phrase !!!!
Hey, have you seen how they are closing in on Hunter? Have you seen Pelosi making millions with inside info on Stock Market? And have you .....oh, never mind.
@averagejoe1 saidAddressing the principle of the post more than personal matters:
Yeah,, I asked him for 2 weeks for a definition. Do you think he just could not 'say' mob rule?
"Control of a (group) by a majority of its members."
"Rule by the majority". (uhhh, the would be 51😵
That would also be called mob rule.... by us cons, that is, not by the mob itself. They don't like being referred to as a mob,,,,makes folks think of Marx and Lenin.
Anyway, doing my Forum-patriotic duty in the name of Sonhouse. Got it, Sonhouse. Rest easy.
These days I'm kind of glad that we have representative democracy rather than direct democracy. That maintains a little buffer against the madness of crowds, which is probably more easily inflamed in our time than in the Founders' time.
I was a teenager in the 1970s when things seemed to be moving in better directions, and I wonder why -- about 50 years later -- so many people seem to be so vicious, petty, and retrograde.
Sure, we could niggle about this or that -- but how do we find a way to get things together to make this the great country that we pretend it is?
We have already seen Americans pull together in a crisis, several times. We are now living and enacting a big crisis in the way we interact with each other.
Free speech is great, but not if it destroys us.
Please let us accept our unresolvable differences, and show the rest of the world how it's done.
(No, I'm not running in 2024.)
@averagejoe1 saidJesus Christ. Stop drinking moonshine before you post man, it’s pathetic.
If they have an election on abortion, and the state is going with the mob making the rules, then that is the way it would be. But 51% voting on such a HUGE issue is a bit much..... A mob should not make such decisions, and hopefully a state will see the danger,,,,yes, the danger, ,, in that.
So, yes, if 80% of Texans support abortions, then abortions, in a fair vote ...[text shortened]... you seen Pelosi making millions with inside info on Stock Market? And have you .....oh, never mind.
@averagejoe1 saidSo, 51% voting for something is a mob, but anything over that isn't?
If they have an election on abortion, and the state is going with the mob making the rules, then that is the way it would be. But 51% voting on such a HUGE issue is a bit much..... A mob should not make such decisions, and hopefully a state will see the danger,,,,yes, the danger, ,, in that.
So, yes, if 80% of Texans support abortions, then abortions, in a fair vote ...[text shortened]... you seen Pelosi making millions with inside info on Stock Market? And have you .....oh, never mind.
Last I heard, you were all FOR the electoral college casting out 49% of a state's vote because all that is required for that state's vote to all go for one candidate is 51% of that state's votes.
This is exactly why I had NO voice in the 2016 election, nor 2000's election nor 2004's election.
@shavixmir saidToo bad you could not offer some kind of reasoned response, as men of good will might have done back in the coffee-house days.
Jesus Christ. Stop drinking moonshine before you post man, it’s pathetic.
@kevin-eleven saidNope. Not to you.
Too bad you could not offer some kind of reasoned response, as men of good will might have done back in the coffee-house days.
@averagejoe1 saidYup. Never mind.
If they have an election on abortion, and the state is going with the mob making the rules, then that is the way it would be. But 51% voting on such a HUGE issue is a bit much..... A mob should not make such decisions, and hopefully a state will see the danger,,,,yes, the danger, ,, in that.
So, yes, if 80% of Texans support abortions, then abortions, in a fair vote ...[text shortened]... you seen Pelosi making millions with inside info on Stock Market? And have you .....oh, never mind.
@kevin-eleven saidThe virtue-signaling is strong in this one.
Too bad you could not offer some kind of reasoned response, as men of good will might have done back in the coffee-house days.
Lookie here Kevin, a put-down with *correct* usage of the term.
@averagejoe1 saidSo you think going with the will of 51% is more dangerous than going against them and going with the 49%?
If they have an election on abortion, and the state is going with the mob making the rules, then that is the way it would be. But 51% voting on such a HUGE issue is a bit much..... A mob should not make such decisions, and hopefully a state will see the danger,,,,yes, the danger, ,, in that.
So, yes, if 80% of Texans support abortions, then abortions, in a fair vote ...[text shortened]... you seen Pelosi making millions with inside info on Stock Market? And have you .....oh, never mind.
Your an idiot aren’t you Joe
what was the term some idiotic conservatives wanted to call slavery in America to make it sound better? involuntary employment?
It's the same here. The joe thinks that if you call democracy "mob rule" it will make defending the electoral college or the fillibuster look better, look like less of a power grab by whiny little asholes who know damn well they couldn't get people to follow them except by rigging the rules in their favor.
Yes, democracy is "majority decides". And we put exceptions and rules in place to protect minorities. That should be the default behaviour and it is, in civilized countries. Only in the US the default behaviour is a minority being able to block anything most of the time. Only in the US will a party representing millions fewer citizens hold equal power to the other party.
The republicans haven't won a popular vote since like the 90's?
@suzianne saidThe democracy issue here is without reference to the EC. It is about how many people in a society make a decision...the EC was created so there would NOT be mob rule.
So, 51% voting for something is a mob, but anything over that isn't?
Last I heard, you were all FOR the electoral college casting out 49% of a state's vote because all that is required for that state's vote to all go for one candidate is 51% of that state's votes.
This is exactly why I had NO voice in the 2016 election, nor 2000's election nor 2004's election.
So in re mob rule, it is debatable, of course, 'how many over 51%" would be OK. I think the Senate has seemed to settle on 60% as a good number, as you know.
So, I am simply saying that a goodly amount of citizens should agree on laws before they are set in stone. That is my opinion of course, you have yours, but 51%?.....that means that 49% will be unhappy. It would be 'more unquestionable ' if 40% were unhappy.
And yes, I am of course FOR the EC for these reasons. But it is not about me. It is about the issue of mobs.
I hope this helps Sonhouse. I think you are a mob person, but it is hard to figure if he is.
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@zahlanzi saidWhy so angry? Please read my well considered post to Suzianne. You might focus on the 'better to have 40% unhappy than 49%". It is reasonable, Sonhouse, the Senate applies 60% a good bit, seems to have worked before WOKE et al took over.
what was the term some idiotic conservatives wanted to call slavery in America to make it sound better? involuntary employment?
It's the same here. The joe thinks that if you call democracy "mob rule" it will make defending the electoral college or the fillibuster look better, look like less of a power grab by whiny little asholes who know damn well they couldn't get peop ...[text shortened]... qual power to the other party.
The republicans haven't won a popular vote since like the 90's?
"Control of a group by a majority" Yes, to me this is mob rule. You say "Joe thinks if you call democracy mob rule....." Zahlanzi, I am not calling it mob rule. Control of a group by a majority IS mob rule. So, maybe the libs who write definitions were scaaaared to say the ugly phrase Mob Rule.
That's what is, Zahlanzi
Relax, anyway. You libs are going to win in the end.