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Defining "Defund the police"

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@philokalia said
and thus the Police are always on guard.
A knee on the neck.

Bullets in a man's back.

Giving a hog-tied man a "nickel tour" in the back of a police van.

Planting evidence.

Kicking in the door to the wrong apartment and firing willy-nilly.

Yes, forever they're on guard. On guard for incompetence, cruelty, and corruption.

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@philokalia said
Lots of fatalities for police actually occur when responding to relatively minor disturbances.
Average number of Police killed per annum in USA is less than 100.
Average number of killings by Police per annum 150+

Decent training and selection would probably reduce both statistics.

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There are about 1 million law enforcement officers in USA.
In 2019 there were 48 felonious deaths out of that million.

There are less than 900,000 agricultural workers in USA.
There were 257 fatal injuries in 2018.

Of the 55,000 logging workers,
there were 74 fatal injuries.

So policing isn't that dangerous is it?

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More police than farmers?

And, uh, 55.000 lumberjacks??? What’s that all aboot?

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There isn't that much support for defunding the police:

In it, 66% of adults said they oppose cutting the police budget in their community to channel money to social services, the scheme pushed by many liberals. That is up from 59% just last month.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/thick-blue-line-surge-in-support-for-cops-just-2-in-10-back-defund-scheme

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@philokalia said
There isn't that much support for defunding the police:

In it, 66% of adults said they oppose cutting the police budget in their community to channel money to social services, the scheme pushed by many liberals. That is up from 59% just last month.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/thick-blue-line-surge-in-support-for-cops-just-2-in-10-back-defund-scheme
Not much support?
Rule of thumb ... not much = less than 5% and probably closer to 1%

Your own stat implies 34% do not oppose defunding the Police in
their community. How many million people is that?

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@shavixmir said
More police than farmers?

And, uh, 55.000 lumberjacks??? What’s that all aboot?
And some wish they'd been a girlie just like their dear papas!

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@soothfast said
A knee on the neck.

Bullets in a man's back.

Giving a hog-tied man a "nickel tour" in the back of a police van.

Planting evidence.

Kicking in the door to the wrong apartment and firing willy-nilly.

Yes, forever they're on guard. On guard for incompetence, cruelty, and corruption.
Those things are illegal or have already been handled.

Why riot?

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@wolfgang59 said
Not much support?
Rule of thumb ... not much = less than 5% and probably closer to 1%

Your own stat implies 34% do not oppose defunding the Police in
their community. How many million people is that?
So 1% is enough to constitute some support?

I tend to disagree.

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@philokalia said
Those things are illegal or have already been handled.



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They have no been handled.

If a brand of toaster routinely caused house fires would
you say it had been handled when the fires were put out?

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@philokalia said
So 1% is enough to constitute some support?

I tend to disagree.
Disagree all you want, I'm challenging your assertion

There isn't that much support for defunding the police:

when there is 33% who do not oppose it.

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@wolfgang59 said
They have no been handled.

If a brand of toaster routinely caused house fires would
you say it had been handled when the fires were put out?
That's an interesting parallel.

But the number of unjustifiable homicides done by police is honestly incredibly small.

How many other unjustifiable homicides occurred this year..?

And was this even really a homicide per se, and not something more like manslaughter as it was not the intended result of the action, but merely the result of reckless behavior?

For a nation that is as armed as the USA, I have to say that I think it is doing a good job.

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@wolfgang59 said
Disagree all you want, I'm challenging your assertion

There isn't that much support for defunding the police:

when there is 33% who do not oppose it.
1/3 of people support it.

2/3 of people oppose it.

In a system that is supposed to be a representative democracy, the big number wins, and the big number could be conceived of as having much support, and the smaller number in the dichotomy as having little.

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@philokalia said
In a system that is supposed to be a representative democracy, the big number wins, and the big number could be conceived of as having much support, and the smaller number in the dichotomy as having little.
The system is irrelevant.
1/3 does not equate to "not much".
Be it population, cake or Trump supporters.

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@philokalia said
That's an interesting parallel.
I'm glad you agree.

Fix the toaster!!!