@earl-of-trumps said"Dead people and illegal immigrants do a lot of voting for the democrats"
And for non-Americans especially, this should explain why Democrats are dead set against Voter ID.
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Court Rejects Democrat Official’s Attempt to Keep 26K Dead People on Michigan Voter Rolls
[i]The U.S. Western District Court of Michigan denied a plea by Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D) that sought to halt a ...[text shortened]... ls-attempt-to-keep-26k-dead-people-on-michigan-voter-rolls/
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Do you have proof of that? Real proof, not "being on voter rolls"
"And for non-Americans especially, this should explain why Democrats are dead set against Voter ID."
Because you don't have a nation wide mandatory id . (which i have a feeling republicans will have a problem with). This way, each state who doesn't want SOME people to vote can require a driver's license for example, even though not all drive, or a passport, even though some people wouldn't get out of their town let alone the country and so they wouldn't need one.
I have an ID card. I got it at 14 just like every other romanian and when i turned 18 i voted with it. I don't mind it one bit. I just walk into the voting precinct i belong to (based on residence) and i vote. Saturdays and Sundays, not workdays. I can even go to another voting precinct if i am out of town.
Advocate for a federal ID card that everyone is required to get, and it is easy to get. Then see if democrats still complain about voter id laws.
@Zahlanzi
There is a reason why the democrats are fighting so hard to keep the dead voters on the rolls. Can you guess what it is?
In this United States, 85% of the voters want voter ID. guess who is holding it up? Democrats are defending
themselves by saying that such a measure is "voter suppression", but we all know that the measure
is designed, as it is in all countries, to stop cheating. simple as that.
EDIT TO ADD: in 2020, there were more votes cast for Biden in Detroit (Michigan) than there were registered democrats
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@earl-of-trumps said"There is a reason why the democrats are fighting so hard to keep the dead voters on the rolls. Can you guess what it is?"
@Zahlanzi
There is a reason why the democrats are fighting so hard to keep the dead voters on the rolls. Can you guess what it is?
In this United States, 85% of the voters want voter ID. guess who is holding it up? Democrats are defending
themselves by saying that such a measure is "voter suppression", but we all know that the measure
is designed, as it is in a ...[text shortened]... 020, there were more votes cast for Biden in Detroit (Michigan) than there were registered democrats
Are they really dead?
"Democrats are defending themselves by saying that such a measure is "voter suppression""
It is voter suppression if anyone can decide what is and what isn't acceptable ID.
If voting was done based on driver's licenses it suppresses the vote of all the poor people that can't afford or don't need a car. Same with passports. Maybe one state will decide the id needed to vote is an NRA membership card.
"but we all know that the measure is designed, as it is in all countries, to stop cheating. simple as that"
no, not as it is in all countries. The US doesn't have a federally issued ID card.
"EDIT TO ADD: in 2020, there were more votes cast for Biden in Detroit (Michigan) than there were registered democrats"
Yes, some people don't bother to register as either democrat or republican. I am sure you didn't want to stupidly imply this means the democrats cheated in Detroit, simply to let us know there is such a thing as independents or maybe, just maybe, some republicans that see the Trump for what he is, a liar and a fascist, a genuine threat to American democracy.
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@earl-of-trumps said36 States have voter ID requirements but even in those States right wing nuts like you make the same baseless claims.
@Zahlanzi
There is a reason why the democrats are fighting so hard to keep the dead voters on the rolls. Can you guess what it is?
In this United States, 85% of the voters want voter ID. guess who is holding it up? Democrats are defending
themselves by saying that such a measure is "voter suppression", but we all know that the measure
is designed, as it is in a ...[text shortened]... 020, there were more votes cast for Biden in Detroit (Michigan) than there were registered democrats
Michigan is one BTW.
ID requirements are generally to suppress voting by people the Republicans figure are more likely to vote Democratic like in Texas where a gun permit is a valid ID, but a university ID isn't. Why?:
"Likewise, Texas permits voters to use a handgun license to vote, but not a student ID from a state university. More than 80 percent of handgun licenses issued to Texans in 2018 went to white Texans, while more than half of the students in the University of Texas system are racial or ethnic minorities."
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/new-voter-suppression
@Earl-of-Trumps
Why is Trump fighting tooth and nail to keep his taxes from being read by the Jan 6 committee?
And I suppose you think all the bills passed by Biden, like the chips bill where semiconductor plants will be built here in the US, just worthless BS. Or the infrastructure bill, where I saw personally new paving done on a lot of roads like 873 here paved about 5 miles of it.
Or the bill allowing medicare to shop for best prices for drugs.
HOW DARE BIDEN passing bills like that. THE BASTURD.
So tell me how many such bills have been passed or even DEBATED by repubs?
I assume you are way ok with Moscow mitch dumping any dem bill in the trash when he was in charge of the senate.
I assume you will be dancing in the street when repubs take over again so they can just pass more laws making more criminals and ZERO to actually help the common folk. But that also means nothing to you since you have an obsession against Dems, so ANYTHING repubs do MUST be better than anything Dems have already done.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jun/02/kevin-rinke/debunking-zombie-claim-dead-people-always-vote-dem/
And OF COURSE this link is fake news since you know for a FRIGGING FACT thousands of dead dems have voted already.
So your so called mind is totally closed to the truth and just like metal so-called brain anything posted on the net disparaging dems is AUTOMATICALLY true.
You are a flaming hypocrite, POSTER BOY for hypocrite.
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@metal-brain saidUnsurprisingly, the Michigan Supreme Court tossed out the lower court ruling:
Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat, updated an election manual to impose new restrictions on poll observers and challengers without going through the correct rule making process. Court of Claims Judge Brock Swartzle ruled that Benson’s office must either remove a May manual or amend specific sections that he said violate state and federal law.
Democrats are ...[text shortened]... -york-court-rules-unconstitutional-law-allowing-non-citizens-to-vote-in-local-elections_4561501.html
"The Michigan Supreme Court ruled 5-2 to allow local election clerks to continue using a poll challenger guidance manual during next week's election in a legal victory for Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson.
A pair of legislative candidates and national Republican parties challenged the state's election rules that were put in place by the Michigan secretary of state's office in May, and a lower court order blocked the rules from being used last month. The GOP-backed legal challenges targeted restrictions such as one rule that banned personal electronic devices among people working in absentee voter counting rooms.
The state high court's suspension of a Court of Claims ruling by Judge Brock Swartzle, which tossed out some of the previous rules, will now remain in effect throughout the appeal periods and will likely keep the original May guidance in effect through Election Day."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/michigan-s-top-election-official-scores-supreme-court-victory-in-time-for-election-day/ar-AA13IuJi?cvid=10d4af491798415b8215ce41c84ad0f4
@sonhouse saidI can out think anyone that thinks capitalizing whole words powers up his post.
@Mott-The-Hoople
So you feel you are SO intelligent you can outthink a REAL lawyer?
@no1marauder saidI am glad to see that you articulated it as "local" elections because federal elections, I would think it to be a CRIME.
How exactly is it "cheating" to pass a public law allowing noncitizens to vote in local elections?
But even with a local election, we know that the immigrants will likely go democrat. It's election interference.
You can bet your pass that if they voted republican like Cubans, that law would NEVER be passed. And you know it.
@no1marauder saidAll of this does NOT get the dems off the hook. The law says the 26 thousand names must GO! No excuses.
36 States have voter ID requirements but even in those States right wing nuts like you make the same baseless claims.
Michigan is one BTW.
ID requirements are generally to suppress voting by people the Republicans figure are more likely to vote Democratic like in Texas where a gun permit is a valid ID, but a university ID isn't. Why?:
"Likewise, Texas permits vot ...[text shortened]... ethnic minorities."
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/new-voter-suppression
Yet they fight it tooth and nail. the Democratic party is a criminal organization.
@sonhouse
Why is Trump fighting tooth and nail to keep his taxes from being read by the Jan 6 committee?
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I would do the same thing, and so would you. Who the hell are these democrat PIGS to demand to look at anybody's tax returns.
they are only doing this in an attempt to embarrass Trump, that's all.
@earl-of-trumps saidDon't continue to be an idiot; the idea is that local noncitizens pay a portion of the costs of government through various taxes and thus should have some say in the decisions made by that government (ever hear the phrase "no taxation without representation"?). Do you have an actual principled objection to that or is just like your objections to say Puerto Rican or DC statehood i.e. these People might vote in ways you don't like?
I am glad to see that you articulated it as "local" elections because federal elections, I would think it to be a CRIME.
But even with a local election, we know that the immigrants will likely go democrat. It's election interference.
You can bet your pass that if they voted republican like Cubans, that law would NEVER be passed. And you know it.
Come to think of it, that is the reason for the myriad of restrictions and roadblocks Republican State Legislatures have placed on voting in the last few years.
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@no1marauder said"no taxation without representation"
Don't continue to be an idiot; the idea is that local noncitizens pay a portion of the costs of government through various taxes and thus should have some say in the decisions made by that government (ever hear the phrase "no taxation without representation"?). Do you have an actual principled objection to that or is just like your objections to say Puerto Rican or DC sta ...[text shortened]... strictions and roadblocks Republican State Legislatures have placed on voting in the last few years.
I like this No1 and have long floated the idea before, because the opposite of this stands true too, those that don't on net pay tax can find something else to do on polling day. This includes those on benefits where they receive more back than they pay and those goobermint bureauRats paid from the pool of tax monies.
Then to take it a step further your vote should be weighted by how much tax you pay. This system would naturally equal out, those paying a lot of tax would vote their tax down and therefore lose some of the say they previously had.
No taxation without representation also means you don't pay tax, you don't get a vote.
@wajoma saidThere's no one who doesn't pay some sort of tax in a modern society, so your attempt to disenfranchise the poor is meaningless.
"no taxation without representation"
I like this No1 and have long floated the idea before, because the opposite of this stands true too, those that don't on net pay tax can find something else to do on polling day. This includes those on benefits where they receive more back than they pay and those goobermint bureauRats paid from the pool of tax monies.
Then to take it ...[text shortened]... ously had.
No taxation without representation also means you don't pay tax, you don't get a vote.