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Blade Runner

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Originally posted by quackquack
You completely ignored the fact that the industries we regulate the most are the ones we as a society are most dissatisfied with. There comes a time to recognize that government intrusion often simply makes thing worse.
America's greatest period of growth happened after the great depression hit and the Glass Steagal act came into effect, which limited how banks could speculate with investor funds, and then the war and the 50's and made in America meant something, but by the 60's onwards banks were starting to get away with reinterpreting the rules and it took another 30 years of lobbying by Wall St funded shills in Congress to finally kill Glass Steagal and allow the commercial and investment arms of banking to make whoopee, which they did until their deregulated house of cards finally fell down in the GFC. Because without regulation, accounting firms were auditing themselves. Banks were allowing themselves to perform under ludicrous reserve/lending ratios, the prevailing winds said that risk no longer was a factor in investment and the greatest Ponzi scheme of CDO's and Mortgage backed securities and deregulated ratings agencies who gave triple A ratings to toxic debt bundles, and that whole let's wipe a few trillion dollars off the value of everything experience, still wasn't enough to educate schmucks like you that your less is more, the market knows best philosophy is nothing but a crock of shyte!?

Give me f'.ing strength.....!

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Originally posted by kmax87
America's greatest period of growth happened after the great depression hit and the Glass Steagal act came into effect, which limited how banks could speculate with investor funds, and then the war and the 50's and made in America meant something, but by the 60's onwards banks were starting to get away with reinterpreting the rules and it took another 30 year ...[text shortened]... market knows best philosophy is nothing but a crock of shyte!?

Give me f'.ing strength.....!
Your interpretation is contrary both contrary to fact and assumes its conclusion. America did well after the Great Depression because unless you have 2017 style over regulation economies always do well AFTER recessions. All recessions aren't caused by failure to regulate and they aren't all caused by abuses by businesses. Not all economic transactions are profitable, people lie on loan applications governments pressure institutions to loan to people who aren't credit worthy, people lose jobs or have other reasons to fail to pay things they promised.
It's time to stop with the endless red tape of regulation and government picking winners and losers and let a little more pf the benefits of free market.

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Originally posted by Suzianne
Why don't you tell everyone who fought to have this passed through Congress?

Go ahead.

We're waiting.

Here's a clue:

It was HILLARY CLINTON, as US Senator from New York.
jon stewart fought to have this passed and then renewed.
clinton, just as with gay marriage, got on board when it was politically convenient.

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Originally posted by quackquack
There must be some limit in your mind to how much you must pay for others.
how about you set that limit at least to not let someone die of hunger or disease? as the richest country in the world how about you have the decency to do at least that?


you are already paying for "others". you have more military spending than the next 20 or so countries COMBINED. that's the biggest social program in the world, not just in the country. there must be some limit in your mind how much you must pay for THAT

Die Cheeseburger

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Originally posted by JS357
A medical services organization can operate as a successful non-profit corporation while its employees are paid salaries and have benefits that are competitive with for-profit medical services organizations. Taking out the corporate shareholder profit motive both saves money and minimizes the issue of ownership interests conflicting with employee and member interests.. An example is Kaiser Permanente which provides care to over 11 million members.
That's great JS, seriously, no problem. Those that would like to build such a scheme should be able to, those that would like to participate in such a scheme should be able to.

But we all know what zahlanzi's thread is about, it's been done a hundred ties here, it's about removing choices and forcing control freak ideals.

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Originally posted by Zahlanzi
how about you set that limit at least to not let someone die of hunger or disease? as the richest country in the world how about you have the decency to do at least that?


you are already paying for "others". you have more military spending than the next 20 or so countries COMBINED. that's the biggest social program in the world, not just in the country. there must be some limit in your mind how much you must pay for THAT
Perhaps if your country spent its fair share of military, we would have enough money for your social programs.

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Originally posted by quackquack
Perhaps if your country spent its fair share of military, we would have enough money for your social programs.
claiming that the US spends on the military more than the next 20 countries combined to "guard" Romania is but another hilarious proof of you being dumb

also a poor debater, but i guess that comes with the dumbness. do you think nobody would notice you deflecting the issue?

you are still the richest country in the world, spending an obscene amount of money on your military while claiming there are none for healthcare or education.

Die Cheeseburger

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Originally posted by Zahlanzi


... but i guess that comes with the dumbness.
The mark of a poor debater.

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Originally posted by whodey
I'm sure Dims will find a way to suck out all money out of the health care system and not lower the quality of it.

Mhahahahaha!!
Sort of like in most of the rest of the Western world....

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In case some have missed it, the vast majority of US military spending is not for security, its to keep certain industries going. Not that much different from NASA. Its a combination of creating jobs to get votes and making certain people very rich.

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Originally posted by Zahlanzi
claiming that the US spends on the military more than the next 20 countries combined to "guard" Romania is but another hilarious proof of you being dumb

also a poor debater, but i guess that comes with the dumbness. do you think nobody would notice you deflecting the issue?

you are still the richest country in the world, spending an obscene amount of money on your military while claiming there are none for healthcare or education.
Obviously you are lying. The US spend plenty on education and healthcare. There is never a point when a free loader like yourself won't ask for someone else to pay their bills.

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Originally posted by quackquack
Obviously you are lying. The US spend plenty on education and healthcare. There is never a point when a free loader like yourself won't ask for someone else to pay their bills.
the fact that schools lack textbooks and other supplies, that college education is hilariously expensive, that teachers have salaries they can barely live on proves that you either have no clue what "plenty" means or that you are enough of a jerk to not care and really believe the current state of education is enough.

as for healthcare, under the current proposed healthcare plan 24 million americans will lose their coverage and not only that, but 880 billions worth of tax breaks will be given to the richest americans, of which, i am sure, your moronic ass will see little, if any. in conclusion, you are so idiotic that you think the current level of spending in healthcare is not only adequate but in fact too high that it could afford to lose 880 billions.



if i were to guess from how ignorant your posts are, you can't be making that much a year. if i were a gambler i would say there is a high chance you don't realize you might be one of those 24 million americans losing their healthcare.

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Originally posted by Zahlanzi
the fact that schools lack textbooks and other supplies, that college education is hilariously expensive, that teachers have salaries they can barely live on proves that you either have no clue what "plenty" means or that you are enough of a jerk to not care and really believe the current state of education is enough.
He is a product of that education system. Nuff said.

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