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  1. 15 May '17 08:32
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw_nqzVfxFQ

    "For-profit dialysis companies often maximize their profits at the expense of their patients. John Oliver explores why a medical clinic is nothing like a Taco Bell."
  2. 15 May '17 10:05
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw_nqzVfxFQ

    "For-profit dialysis companies often maximize their profits at the expense of their patients. John Oliver explores why a medical clinic is nothing like a Taco Bell."
    What we need is for profit to be taken out of medicine, so that those working at Taco Bell will soon be giving you dialysis.
  3. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    15 May '17 10:25
    Originally posted by whodey
    What we need is for profit to be taken out of medicine, so that those working at Taco Bell will soon be giving you dialysis.
    wooo wooo zahlazi is scaring us with the profits bogey man.

    You know profit, the difference between what something costs to produce and what it's value is to someone.
  4. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    15 May '17 13:12
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    wooo wooo zahlazi is scaring us with the profits bogey man.

    You know profit, the difference between what something costs to produce and what it's value is to someone.
    Given that people take staying alive pretty seriously, the value of certain services are without limit, which in the field of health, morally and ethically it is important that consumers are not being price gouged into poverty just because a service provider has cynically worked out that no cost is too high for most people to keep on living.
  5. 15 May '17 13:14
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    wooo wooo zahlazi is scaring us with the profits bogey man.

    You know profit, the difference between what something costs to produce and what it's value is to someone.
    Profits are OK if you are a doctor performing abortions or Nancy Pelosi racking in millions.

    Otherwise, you are evil and must be destroyed.
  6. 15 May '17 13:27
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Given that people take staying alive pretty seriously, the value of certain services are without limit, which in the field of health, morally and ethically it is important that consumers are not being price gouged into poverty just because a service provider has cynically worked out that no cost is too high for most people to keep on living.
    There is nothing magical about medical benefits. If you want a service pay for it.
  7. 15 May '17 13:42
    Originally posted by quackquack
    There is nothing magical about medical benefits. If you want a service pay for it.
    I'm sure Dims will find a way to suck out all money out of the health care system and not lower the quality of it.

    Mhahahahaha!!
  8. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    15 May '17 13:50
    Originally posted by quackquack
    There is nothing magical about medical benefits. If you want a service pay for it.
    Money and profit before people hey, how's that working out for you...oh yes, y'all voted Trump into office.

    Good luck with that...
  9. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    15 May '17 13:52 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw_nqzVfxFQ

    "For-profit dialysis companies often maximize their profits at the expense of their patients. John Oliver explores why a medical clinic is nothing like a Taco Bell."
    I'm not sure if any dialysis thread is not just taking the piss though...
  10. 15 May '17 13:53
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Given that people take staying alive pretty seriously, the value of certain services are without limit, which in the field of health, morally and ethically it is important that consumers are not being price gouged into poverty just because a service provider has cynically worked out that no cost is too high for most people to keep on living.
    It must be noted that the patients do not pay for it, the government does.
    There is no real risk of anyone being price gouged into poverty, but there is a risk of poor standards if oversight is not carried out properly.
  11. 15 May '17 13:56
    Originally posted by quackquack
    There is nothing magical about medical benefits. If you want a service pay for it.
    awesome. and what is an appropriate price for a life saving procedure? what YOU can afford?

    if a company develops the cure for a type of cancer and demand 1 million dollars for it, is that appropriate? is it appropriate for that same company to lobby (buy) your senators so as to make it illegal for someone else to develop a cure for said cancer? is it appropriate to make laws forbidding the importation of similar drugs from say, Canada? if that company decides it makes enough money selling few doses of that cure at 1 million a pop, and YOU are in desperate need of it, you will be singing a different tune.


    even if we allow the ludicrous scenario of a free market regulating the price of the drug to affordable levels, you don't have a free market in the pharmaceutical business. you cannot buy from a competitor, you cannot have the government negotiate deals with the drug company. There is no free market when it comes to essential commodities. You cannot afford to wait until that cancer cure's price goes down. What are you going to do? Boycott and die?
  12. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    15 May '17 13:59
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    It must be noted that the patients do not pay for it, the government does.
    There is no real risk of anyone being price gouged into poverty, but there is a risk of poor standards if oversight is not carried out properly.
    It seems a labyrinth of claim and counter claim in terms of which medical services are too expensive and out of the reach of ordinary citizens, without the appropriate health insurance in the US.

    Is dialysis a service given to anyone requiring it? And to what extent are medical procedures denied anyone in the States?
  13. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    15 May '17 14:07
    Originally posted by quackquack
    There is nothing magical about medical benefits. If you want a service pay for it.
    ...and if you are unable to pay for it at the time, then die.

    After all if God wanted you to live He'd have made you rich enough to pay.
  14. 15 May '17 14:08
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Money and profit before people hey, how's that working out for you...oh yes, y'all voted Trump into office.

    Good luck with that...
    There does come a point where peoples obligations to pay for others has been fulfilled.
  15. 15 May '17 14:09
    Originally posted by finnegan
    ...and if you are unable to pay for it at the time, then die.

    After all if God wanted you to live He'd have made you rich enough to pay.
    There must be some limit in your mind to how much you must pay for others.