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  1. SubscriberWOLFE63
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    27 Sep '18 17:162 edits
    I watched the first two and a half hours of what I expected to be a theatric spectacle.

    However, my impression: The "15 year old girl" within the grown-up Professor, exuded nothing but fear and honesty.

    Thus, I'm more convinced: A "blacked-out" Brett Kavanaugh could have done this. Will he now continue the charade, one of pubescent piety?
  2. Standard membersh76
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    27 Sep '18 17:49
    She's very credible.

    It's still he said/she said, but this is going very, very badly for Kavanaugh.
  3. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    27 Sep '18 18:41
    The on/off prosecutor didn't help either. Kavanaugh is toast.
  4. Zugzwang
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    27 Sep '18 19:22
    I found Christine Blasey Ford credible from the beginning.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/27/christine-blasey-ford-testimony-response-women-sexual-assault-survivors-cspan

    "'I can't cry any more. I'm too angry': women respond to Ford's testimony
    Women watch Dr Christine Blasey Ford testify about Brett Kavanaugh’s
    alleged assault to Senate hearing"

    "Others [women] took note of Ford’s seeming desire to be accommodating, even here,
    given the circumstances, to a group of men skeptical of her experience/."

    "What's breaking my heart right now is Ford's desperate and quite earnest desire to please."

    "She's so polite. She's trying to be so accommodating. She's shocked any time her needs are
    accommodated in the slightest. Even in her worst moment, under the harshest spotlight,
    she has been conditioned to put the needs of others above her own."

    Christine Blasey Ford's testimony was triggering for many women, who have shared enough similar experiences.
  5. Zugzwang
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    27 Sep '18 19:56
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/27/the-guardian-view-on-us-politics-no-hearing-for-women

    "The Guardian view on US politics: no hearing for women
    Christine Blasey Ford raised profound doubts over Brett Kavanaugh’s suitability for a
    lifetime seat on the US’s highest court. But these Republicans do not listen to women."

    "Can you trust women? This is the question at the heart of Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination
    to the supreme court."

    "Before the testimony, more voters – especially female voters – believed Dr Ford than Mr Kavanaugh.
    But Republicans leaned to Mr Kavanaugh and the party has calculated that the potential
    electoral cost of backing him is outweighed by the risk of losing their ability to please
    their base by skewing the court decisively to the right."

    "Denying him his opportunity does not equate to “ruining his life” or attempting to “destroy” him.
    The concern for the experience and prospects of men accused of such offences is
    accompanied by indifference to the experience and prospects of women who allege them.
    Women who stay silent while they fail exams, abandon professions, struggle with relationships.
    Women who speak out and are smeared and attacked – as Dr Ford has been.

    Thursday’s hearings failed to treat the allegations adequately. Far better would have
    been a full and proper investigation by the FBI, as Dr Ford requested. But the Republicans
    chose to railroad this through. It is they who refused to subpoena the one witness identified
    by Dr Ford, allowing the matter to be dismissed as “he said, she said”. Whatever happens
    in the committee vote on Friday, and in the later Senate vote, the electorate have seen
    for themselves where the party elite stands. They do not trust women to control their bodies.
    They do not trust women to tell the truth. But in these elections, and the years to come,
    they should know that women, and the men who respect them, will certainly remember."
  6. Subscribersonhouse
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    27 Sep '18 20:24
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/27/the-guardian-view-on-us-politics-no-hearing-for-women

    "The Guardian view on US politics: no hearing for women
    Christine Blasey Ford raised profound doubts over Brett Kavanaugh’s suitability for a
    lifetime seat on the US’s highest court. But these Republicans do not listen to women."

    "Can you t ...[text shortened]... to come,
    they should know that women, and the men who respect them, will certainly remember."
    Can you believe this assswipe Kavanaugh's testimony? Crying and sniffling how badly he was treated? What a scam artist. He was just asked why he didn't want an FBI probe, and he says, I'll do whatever the committee wants, not answering the question.
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    27 Sep '18 21:03
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    Can you believe this assswipe Kavanaugh's testimony? Crying and sniffling how badly he was treated? What a scam artist. He was just asked why he didn't want an FBI probe, and he says, I'll do whatever the committee wants, not answering the question.
    They had him at excessive drinking !!
    His temperament, or lack thereof, has been exposed.
  8. Subscribersonhouse
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    28 Sep '18 01:13
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    They had him at excessive drinking !!
    His temperament, or lack thereof, has been exposed.
    Especially when he attacked the lady senator when she asked about remembering what happened when he drunk too much, he goes. Well, Did YOU? Disgusting.
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    28 Sep '18 03:14
    Originally posted by @wolfe63
    I watched the first two and a half hours of what I expected to be a theatric spectacle.

    However, my impression: The "15 year old girl" within the grown-up Professor, exuded nothing but fear and honesty.

    Thus, I'm more convinced: A "blacked-out" Brett Kavanaugh could have done this. Will he now continue the charade, one of pubescent piety?
    I watched it , but it was presented like a boxing match. They even mentioned the "second round" on NBC. The pundits even talked about it like it was a sports commentary. Then one of them said her "performance" was good. If you want her to be believed maybe not call it a performance. I'm just saying.
    Appearances mean little. It didn't sway me either way. What struck me as odd is when 2 people claimed they might be responsible for the harassment of one or more of the accusers. Guys are eager to admit to being creeps? How much did they get paid to act like creeps?
    I still do not believe CBF's claim that she did not want this to go public from the beginning. All we have is Feinstein's word for it.
  10. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    28 Sep '18 11:26
    So it all comes down to an emotionally unhinged woman who finally revealed this during "couple's therapy" and who spent her twenties banging dudes up & down Dewey Beach putting on a good performance after decades of silence.

    And the Leftoids here actually think that it constitutes some kind of evidence that they find themselves believing the narrative that they wanted to believe from the get go.

    This is life surpassing art.
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    28 Sep '18 12:45
    Originally posted by @wolfe63
    I watched the first two and a half hours of what I expected to be a theatric spectacle.

    However, my impression: The "15 year old girl" within the grown-up Professor, exuded nothing but fear and honesty.

    Thus, I'm more convinced: A "blacked-out" Brett Kavanaugh could have done this. Will he now continue the charade, one of pubescent piety?
    Didn't she lie about being afraid to fly?
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    28 Sep '18 15:11
    Originally posted by @wolfe63
    I watched the first two and a half hours of what I expected to be a theatric spectacle.

    However, my impression: The "15 year old girl" within the grown-up Professor, exuded nothing but fear and honesty.

    Thus, I'm more convinced: A "blacked-out" Brett Kavanaugh could have done this. Will he now continue the charade, one of pubescent piety?
    "The "15 year old girl" within the grown-up Professor,"

    Play acting at it finest.
  13. Standard membersh76
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    28 Sep '18 15:142 edits
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    Didn't she lie about being afraid to fly?
    That was a pretty weak part of her testimony, I totally agree. First, Grassly insisted that they offered to go to her in CA and it's somewhat hard to believe that she never got that message (unless Grassly is flat-out lying, which I don't think he is).

    She also admittedly flies a lot, for both vacation and work. The she vacationed in Delaware in July is hard to reconcile with the idea that she didn't want to come to Washington because she didn't want to fly.
  14. Zugzwang
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    28 Sep '18 19:032 edits
    “I thought her testimony was very compelling, and she [Christine Blasey Ford] looks like a very fine woman to me."
    --President Trump (today 28 September 2018)

    Contrary to what some trolls here (who support Brett Kavanaugh) imply, Donald Trump did not
    suggest that Christine Blasey Ford had missed an opportunity to become an actress in Hollywood.
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    28 Sep '18 19:34
    Bill Clinton agrees by saying, "Yea, she's hot, she has my vote".
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