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@AverageJoe1 said
$300B.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crew8y7pwd5o
You should bother to actually read your own link. Here's what it says:
Has the United States spent $300-$350bn on Ukraine aid?
President Trump has made this claim on a number of occasions - including when he hosted France's President Macron in the White House this week.
Short answer: Figures suggest the actual spend is much lower.
BBC Verify can find no evidence to back up the claim. There are different calculations on US spending in or related to Ukraine - and they produce a much lower figure.
The Kiel Institute is a German-based think tank tracking support going into Ukraine. It calculated that the United States spent $119.7bn (£94.3bn) on aid between January 2022 and December 2024.
Others have reached a higher figure - but with a broader definition of what counts as spending on Ukraine.
The US Department of Defense has provided a figure looking at all spending on Operation Atlantic Resolve - a response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
It says $182.8bn has been "appropriated" - a figure that covers US military training in Europe and replenishment of US defence stocks.
Either way, both figures are considerably lower than claimed by the president.
We asked the White House about the basis for the $350bn claim. So far, it hasn't provided an explanation.
Translation: Trump is lying, as usual.
More from the same link:
Has the United States spent $200bn more than Europe?
President Trump has claimed: "We've spent more than $300bn and Europe has spent about $100bn - that's a big difference"
Short answer: Figures suggest Europe has spent more when all aid is included and, as above, we can't find any evidence for the $300bn figure.
Of course, not only have the Europeans given more to Ukraine than the US, they are also not trying to greedily shake down Ukraine for extensive mineral rights that stand every chance of crippling the country even if the Russians gave up and went home tomorrow. Such demands are foolish, at any rate, because it's hardly feasible to exploit mineral rights in a territory that devolves into a perpetual war zone.
The Europeans understand that if Ukraine falls, Putin would move on to other countries, destabilize the continent, and consequently destabilize European markets. Markets that US corporations profits greatly from participating in.
@Soothfast saidWhatever you say. You guys are really over-wrought.
You should bother to actually read your own link. Here's what it says:
[quote]Has the United States spent $300-$350bn on Ukraine aid?
President Trump has made this claim on a number of occasions - including when he hosted France's President Macron in the White House this week.
Short answer: Figures suggest the actual spend is much lower.
BBC Verify can find no ...[text shortened]... y destabilize European markets. Markets that US corporations profits greatly from participating in.
Time to look ahead. How about some real topics, timely. topics. Ukraine, which we all knew that Z would cave iin. I predict Russia will capitulate.
It will all be good. Write about it. Write what Trump has already done, he brought home an American imprisoned in Russia for 14 years, Biden never did a thing. I hate Biden
Anyway, a fresh start!!
@AverageJoe1 saidNo. As I said, it is a nonsensical question, coated in lies.
Here……. if some girls are playing softball in your neighborhood, let’s say 18 girls two sides. A guy shows up and wants to play with the girls, and his dad makes them accept his playing with them. That is bullying.
Good stuff on my part. Now, will you answer the question.?
@AverageJoe1 saidYour lies follow you everywhere, though.
Whatever you say. You guys are really over-wrought.
Time to look ahead. How about some real topics, timely. topics. Ukraine, which we all knew that Z would cave iin. I predict Russia will capitulate.
It will all be good. Write about it. Write what Trump has already done, he brought home an American imprisoned in Russia for 14 years, Biden never did a thing. I hate Biden
Anyway, a fresh start!!
@AverageJoe1 saidYou are fuuking BLIND. Trump is now allied with Putin, he has said so on TV AND has just removed Russian sanctions and wants them back in the G7, remember when he said Russia, you can do whatever the HELL you want?
hhahahahaha. We are building so well that he better watch his ass. You think about his building, we think about ours. Does that tell you something?
Firmly,, indeed.
And voted with NORTH KOREA on a UN resolution to condemn Russia for the Ukraine war, NO, along with all the OTHER Russian allies.
And you find nothing wrong with any of that.
THAT MAKES YOU FUUKING BLIND.
@AverageJoe1 saidHarvard graduate and you think that was a SLIP OF THE TONGUE?
Didn't catch that, and ain't going back to look, too much history right in front of us. Today , tomorrow, next week. Languish with Sonhouse if you want, and see if you can out-pick each other on the many sentences stated by our leaders , leaders and shakers in a hurry!!!! Rock on!
JD knows that UK did help, so since it is an obvious slip of the tongue, you might jus ...[text shortened]... try saying Sonhouse, such and such was a slip of the tongue. Let these leaders lead, for god sakes.
@Earl-of-Trumps saidWhich truly insane dictator are you talking about?
Stop being a fuuking moron. I am not on the side of a truly insane dictator
@sonhouse saidWhy can't I see it? An 83 % approval, and yet, no one sees it
You are fuuking BLIND. Trump is now allied with Putin, he has said so on TV AND has just removed Russian sanctions and wants them back in the G7, remember when he said Russia, you can do whatever the HELL you want?
And voted with NORTH KOREA on a UN resolution to condemn Russia for the Ukraine war, NO, along with all the OTHER Russian allies.
And you find nothing wrong with any of that.
THAT MAKES YOU FUUKING BLIND.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidWRONG....119 Billion, Trumpster does tend to lie a lot. The EU actually gave a lot more 200 and something Billion. Why don't you look these things up and get your FACTS straight. Don't continue to make yourself look stupid.
Truculent IS a pejorative.
You should have looked it up instead of guessing.
And Trump wasn't begging him for nuthin'. He was pointing out that after 300 billion dollars in aid, Ukraine owes us.
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidGive it up. Yeah we lost control, thus lost money under Biden, you can jabber about it with Sonhouse or othet libs looking for something , ANYTHING...to jabber about.
WRONG....119 Billion, Trumpster does tend to lie a lot. The EU actually gave a lot more 200 and something Billion. Why don't you look these things up and get your FACTS straight. Don't continue to make yourself look stupid.
-VR
We are where we are, Trump listed all the money we are saving, but should we not talk abut Jan 6??
@AverageJoe1 said"According to the most recent Gallup poll, Trump's job approval rating was averaging 46% since he took office in this second term. His first term overall average was a 41% approval rating. At any given time during both terms thus far, his lowest to highest approval ratings have ranged between 34%-49%.
Why can't I see it? An 83 % approval, and yet, no one sees it
A Reuters/Ipsos poll reported that 44% of those polled gave him a favorable approval rating of his first month performance in office. Also reporting that public approval of his current job so far has remained higher than his first term in office and higher than former President Joe Biden overall"
You are dreaming if you think Trump has over 80% approval.
Maybe with you ultrarightwingnuts but not REAL people, with the rest of the US, it is under 50% and no other POTUS has had that low a rating this soon after election.
But of course, just fake news, right?
@Very-Rusty saidOh well hell...only 119 billion, excuse the fkuc out of me....I guess Ukraine doesn't owe us anything when coming hat-in-hand to ask for 40 or 50 billion more..
WRONG....119 Billion, Trumpster does tend to lie a lot. The EU actually gave a lot more 200 and something Billion. Why don't you look these things up and get your FACTS straight. Don't continue to make yourself look stupid.
-VR
Do you ever listen to yourself?
@Cliff-Mashburn saidWhat is the EU asking for the over 200 Billion...Absolutely nothing!!!
Oh well hell...only 119 billion, excuse the fkuc out of me....I guess Ukraine doesn't owe us anything when coming hat-in-hand to ask for 40 or 50 billion more..
Do you ever listen to yourself?
Trump is all about money the HELL with people, you don't matter either to him, don't fool yourself. All he wants is your Vote which you were silly enough to give him.
You should listen to your own self you sound like a broken record!
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidYou don't have a clue as to what negotiations are going on behind closed doors.
What is the EU asking for the over 200 Billion...Absolutely nothing!!!
Trump is all about money the HELL with people, you don't matter either to him, don't fool yourself. All he wants is your Vote which you were silly enough to give him.
You should listen to your own self you sound like a broken record!
-VR
You don't really think the European countries are doing it gratis without some kind of payback expected, do you?