DNC rape kit

Originally posted by sh76
Do you have any links? I'd like to see where the "Republican Party" proposed legislation to ban birth control.

It is a logical extension of the personhood amendment that Ryan supports and that is in the current republican platform that the pill can be seen as being banned since one of the way it works is to prevent a fertilized embryo (i.e. a human being for those "reasonable" folks that you speak of) from attaching and hence killing it. Unless you think causing the death of a fertilized embryo (i.e. a human being in your parlance) is not murder?

In Colorado there was a proposed amendment that failed fortunately:
http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_21430098

Maryland:
http://www.pewsitter.com/view_news_id_14986.php

Mississipi:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-20126236/debating-mississippis-personhood-amendment/

Oklahoma:
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/05/01/oklahoma-supreme-court-strikes-personhood-amendment/

North Dakota:
http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=46571

The bill not only bans abortion, but goes a step further and would ban the destruction of human embryos that are created when a woman`s egg is fertilized outside her body, known as in vitro fertilization.

So yeah... no one is trying to ban in vitro fertilization, no one at all! Right? Except for North Dakota that specifically banned in vitro fertilization.

Iowa:
http://iowaindependent.com/52383/personhood-bill-passes-iowa-house-subcommittee

Georgia:
http://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/en-US/display/31965

Originally posted by sh76

PS: You don't have "protest" the nuts in your own party. Neither side does. Failing to vote for the legislation that "nuts" introduce is sufficient.

Odd that they are being elected since mainstream republicans for some reason are "not voting for them"..strange really. I guess there are just enough nuts to elect these people.

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
Odd that they are being elected since mainstream republicans for some reason are "not voting for them"..strange really. I guess there are just enough nuts to elect these people.

They're being elected from individual districts, not from the country,

Would you say Pete Stark represents mainstream Dems because he was elected many times to Congress?

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
There is no policy advocating abortion, only the legality of it.

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/03/11/obama-nominates-abortion-advocate-for-federal-appeals-court/

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
It is a logical extension of the personhood amendment that Ryan supports and that is in the current republican platform that the pill can be seen as being banned since one of the way it works is to prevent a fertilized embryo (i.e. a human being for those "reasonable" folks that you speak of) from attaching and hence killing it. Unless you think causing t ...[text shortened]... s-iowa-house-subcommittee

Georgia:
http://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/en-US/display/31965

Are any of these supported by Romney, Ryan or the RNC?

Originally posted by joe beyser
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/03/11/obama-nominates-abortion-advocate-for-federal-appeals-court/

Kansas' Attorney General Steve Six does not "advocate abortion". He is an advocate of "abortion rights".

In any case, an at least equally strong case can be made for more mainstream Dem support for late term partial birth abortion.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/23/President-Infanticide-Dem-Plank-Partial-Birth

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/townhallcomstaff/2012/08/01/house_democrats_vote_down_lateterm_abortion_ban

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/08/23/extreme_obama_says_hes_prochoice_on_late_term_abortion

A viable partially extracted child can be considered a living child by a very reasonable definition. I stand by my assertion that while both are ridiculous, accusing the Dems of a "war on children" is no more hysterical than accusing the GOP of a "war on women."

Originally posted by sh76

Would you say Pete Stark represents mainstream Dems because he was elected many times to Congress?

No.

However, there are:
1. More than just one or two people proposing legislation here and there. There are numerous states proposing and even passing this kind of legislation. Unfortunately, from what I have found there are some Democrats in these state legislatures that have supported these too, but the proposed legislation is primarily from the Republican side.

2. The personhood amendment is in the national republican platform and has been endorsed by both the Presidential and vice-presidential candidate of the republican party - even though the presidential candidate has flip-flopped on it, but the vice-presidential candidate has not.

The vice-presidential candidate also co-sponsored a bill with that infamous Akin fellow that would re-define rape between "forcible" and "non-forcible" rape.

Do you think the policies of the Republican national platform, the vice-presidential and the presidential candidates have any reflection on the mainstream of the Republican party or are they just a couple random nuts?

Originally posted by sh76
Are any of these supported by Romney, Ryan or the RNC?

As I said in a prior post, yes. Unless the official Republican platform has nothing to do with the RNC or the republican party.

EDIT: To be fair, I just checked the republican platform doesn't seem to specify the life starting at conception idea, but it does refer to extending the 14th (I think?) amendment to "unborn children" which is vague enough to mean just about anything I guess.

Originally posted by sh76
In any case, an at least equally strong case can be made for more mainstream Dem support for late term partial birth abortion.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/23/President-Infanticide-Dem-Plank-Partial-Birth

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/townhallcomstaff/2012/08/01/house_democrats_vote_down_lateterm_abortion_ban

http://townhall.com/tipsh ...[text shortened]... Dems of a "war on children" is no more hysterical than accusing the GOP of a "war on women."

Heh.. found a few unbiased sources there did you? 🙂

I disagree that there is an equally strong case even with those links - although I still would have to try and find some more balanced information about them before I made a final decision. Especially since in many of these cases it's simply that they voted down specific legislation and there are often many reasons why you would vote against legislation.

Like I said, I'm not saying it's completely wrong, just that I don't have all the information and frankly, I still am not convinced that it is somehow equal...

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
No.

However, there are:
1. More than just one or two people proposing legislation here and there. There are numerous states proposing and even passing this kind of legislation. Unfortunately, from what I have found there are some Democrats in these state legislatures that have supported these too, but the proposed legislation is primarily from the Rep ...[text shortened]... reflection on the mainstream of the Republican party or are they just a couple random nuts?

A personhood amendment does not necessarily mean that birth control or IVF will be outlawed.

I'll make you a deal: You show me that Romney actively supports the banning of IVF and birth control, and I won't vote for him.

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
Heh.. found a few unbiased sources there did you? 🙂

I disagree that there is an equally strong case even with those links - although I still would have to try and find some more balanced information about them before I made a final decision. Especially since in many of these cases it's simply that they voted down specific legislation and there are of ...[text shortened]... t have all the information and frankly, I still am not convinced that it is somehow equal...

Those sources were among the first few that came up on a Google search for "democrat support late term partial birth abortion" (or something like that, I forget the exact words I used).

Originally posted by sh76
A personhood amendment does not necessarily mean that birth control or IVF will be outlawed.

I'll make you a deal: You show me that Romney actively supports the banning of IVF and birth control, and I won't vote for him.

A personhood amendment does not necessarily mean that birth control or IVF will be outlawed.

It is simple logic. IVF kills embryos and embryos are defined as being people under a pseronhood amendment. Hence IVF is murder. Of course, they could say that there are certain exceptions where murder is ok - like in the case of birth control or IVF....

I also think the personhood amendment is stupid on simple scientific grounds no matter what would be banned by enacting it.

I'll make you a deal: You show me that Romney actively supports the banning of IVF and birth control, and I won't vote for him.

I think Romney is kinda like the bible - you can use his words to justify just about any position on earth. After all, he's pretty much held just about every position on just about every issue.

I don't believe Romney would support banning those things and I don't think that the republican party (nationally) is stupid enough yet to propose a bill that would explicitly do that (although in a few states they are) - they would and are proposing a peronhood amendment to the constitution that would force the courts to essentially make that determination though.

I am not so sure that Romney would have the cojones to go against his party if they were to be somehow successful in putting such a law on his desk or to get close to an actual amendment.

Originally posted by FMF
Kansas' Attorney General Steve Six does not "advocate abortion". He is an advocate of "abortion rights".

Yet he went out of his way to cover up criminal wrong doings by planned parenthood.

Originally posted by joe beyser
Yet he went out of his way to cover up criminal wrong doings by planned parenthood.

So staunch opponents of abortion rights claim.