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Originally posted by zeeblebot
yeah ... things like Gandhi meeting with Elvis, etc., etc. ...
Did he? Which year was this? Where?

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Originally posted by howardgee
Did he? Which year was this? Where?
no, he didn't, thus the mangling.

(Gandhi was assassinated in 1948; Elvis was 13 years old that year.)

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Originally posted by chancremechanic
New message: Yo, Kmart87, I guess inbreeding does mess with one's ability when it comes to typing out replies....so, you were correct...😉
I thought that visual impairment, usually the root cause of bad spelling was more a case of just too much mass debate [ac]tion.😵😀😛

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Originally posted by orfeo
Would you care to speculate on what the percentage was back in the bad old days of Shakespeare and Newton?
Probably no where near as high as 55%.

Even if it was, it was more excusable in those days because there were less people around to marry and travel was harder.
These days, a figure of 55% in urban areas is disgraceful.

It just demonstrates how insular and racist the Pakistanis in England are.

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Originally posted by howardgee
Probably no where near as high as 55%.

Even if it was, it was more excusable in those days because there were less people around to marry and travel was harder.
These days, a figure of 55% in urban areas is disgraceful.

It just demonstrates how insular and racist the Pakistanis in England are.
It takes two people to marry. You see a lot of young white folks pining because they can't find a Pakistani to marry?

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Originally posted by orfeo
It takes two people to marry. You see a lot of young white folks pining because they can't find a Pakistani to marry?
2 of my friends are going out with Pakistani women. They are having to live a lie and keep it from the girls' parents, because they want them to marry a Pakistani. White husbands would be a disgrace in their eyes.

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Originally posted by avantguard
Unfair, coming from a bloke on an island that only in the last 50 years has enjoyed some fresh blood! There's 300 million people in the U.S., and its exploding with diversity through immigration and native mobility. Britain? Pakistanis in their enclaves. Indians not even mixing with them. The old Anglo-Saxons bemoaning the glory days of the late 19th Century. And not a damn dentist in sight!
Ever heard of Romans, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, etc, etc?

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Originally posted by howardgee
Even if it was, it was more excusable in those days because there were less people around to marry and travel was harder.
That's the most inane excuse for anything I've ever heard.

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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
That's the most inane excuse for anything I've ever heard.
Not at all. It is completely relevant.
For instance, in modern Britain (apart from the Pakistanis of course), the highest incidence of incest occurs in Lincolnshire. This is because there are so many desolate small villages, where the only person of the opposite sex your age is your cousin.

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Originally posted by howardgee
2 of my friends are going out with Pakistani women. They are having to live a lie and keep it from the girls' parents, because they want them to marry a Pakistani. White husbands would be a disgrace in their eyes.
What, no reply to this from the IslamoLoveIns? What a surprise.

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Originally posted by howardgee
What, no reply to this from the IslamoLoveIns? What a surprise.
The reason Pakistani's see a white bride as demeaning is for cultural reasons and not religious ones.

You could argue that it is a racist notion, but I think it’s too much of a culture shock for 1st generation immigrants.

If one looks at the phenomenon here in SA, one notices that 1st generation immigrants (I’m talking specifically about Indian or Pakistanis) never married out of CULTURE, not religion. (In other words you would get Indian Muslims marrying Indian Hindus).

However, today, Indians (I use the term loosely, to include Pakistanis as well, because ultimately they are the same people) marrying whites or non-Indians is very prevalent.

There are two ways of looking at it.

1.Apartheid limited contact between races and also created the class distinction.
2.The 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants have had their cultures diluted.

I favour the 2nd option.

That is why in my opinion, the child is willing to date the white man but the parent won’t allow it. So you can’t really say that they are racist, and in fact, this is proof that Pakistanis are assimilating into English culture and becoming more progressive.

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Originally posted by ASROMA
...Indians (I use the term loosely, to include Pakistanis as well, because ultimately they are the same people)
I don't they would agree with you on this.

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Originally posted by latex bishop
I don't they would agree with you on this.
Wasn't India and Pakistan one country before the Brits came along?

I didn't mean it in a political sense.

I meant it in a racial identification sense.

I think Indians and Pakistanis are the same 'race'.

In SA, 2nd and 3rd generation Indians and Pakistanis call themselves Indian South Africans or South African Indians.

Maybe it’s a South African phenomenon.

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Originally posted by ASROMA
So you can’t really say that they are racist, and in fact, this is proof that Pakistanis are assimilating into English culture and becoming more progressive.
Quite a lot of whites aren't too happy about their children marrying out of the laager either. Screw them all.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Quite a lot of whites aren't too happy about their children marrying out of the laager either. Screw them all.
I know this from experience (not failed marriage attempts, but encounters of the like), but again this I think is a cultural thing.

I see it in Greeks, Portuguese and the like.

Less so as the generations go by though.