15 Nov 18
@wolfgang59 saidMy dress code has always been: be glad I’m wearing bloody underpants.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46207304
I thought these days were long gone but apparently in
Ireland if you wear sexy knickers you are "asking for it".
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15 Nov 18
@shavixmir saidSo are we all.
My dress code has always been: be glad I’m wearing bloody underpants.
15 Nov 18
@shavixmir saidI am surprised you choose to make light of a woman being raped.
My dress code has always been: be glad I’m wearing bloody underpants.
@wolfgang59 saidBlaming a defense attorney for arguing consent when her client was on trial for rape is sick.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46207304
I thought these days were long gone but apparently in
Ireland if you wear sexy knickers you are "asking for it".
"victim-blaming"??? What's wrong with you people? This is a criminal defendant on trial for his life (well, okay, not literally his life, but a rape conviction can go pretty far towards ruining a person's life).
Assuming the sexual encounter could be proven, consent is the only legal argument left. Do you want to gag criminal defense attorneys from arguing consent?
15 Nov 18
@wolfgang59 saidThe jury appears to have disagreed.
I am surprised you choose to make light of a woman being raped.
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15 Nov 18
@sh76 saidWhat knickers a person is wearing has nothing to do with consent. Using an outdated offensive stereotype shouldn't be acceptable in a court.
Blaming a defense attorney for arguing consent when her client was on trial for rape is sick.
"victim-blaming"??? What's wrong with you people? This is a criminal defendant on trial for his life (well, okay, not literally his life, but a rape conviction can go pretty far towards ruining a person's life).
Assuming the sexual encounter could be proven, consent is the only legal argument left. Do you want to gag criminal defense attorneys from arguing consent?
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15 Nov 18
@stellspalfie saidWhich attribute rules it out? Outdated? Offensive? Stereotype?
What knickers a person is wearing has nothing to do with consent. Using an outdated offensive stereotype shouldn't be acceptable in a court.
@stellspalfie saidLet's make an exercise out of this.
What knickers a person is wearing has nothing to do with consent. Using an outdated offensive stereotype shouldn't be acceptable in a court.
Why?
Why should offensive arguments not be allowed to defense counsel in court?
Is it because the right of others to avoid being offended outweighs the due process rights of a criminal defendant facing years in prison and a lifetime of state-sponsored social stigma?
@shallow-blue saidWould you like to try your hand and defining the parameters of what defense counsel should be allowed to argue in defense of her client? How offensive does it have to be and to whom? How outdated? By whose measure?
All three?
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15 Nov 18
@sh76 saidStereotype was the key word, specifically outdated offensive stereotypes. Meaning generalisations of people that have been proven to be factually incorrect and are used to perpetuate offensive myths.
Let's make an exercise out of this.
Why?
Why should offensive arguments not be allowed to defense counsel in court?
Is it because the right of others to avoid being offended outweighs the due process rights of a criminal defendant facing years in prison and a lifetime of state-sponsored social stigma?
For example in the UK there is an outdated offensive stereotype that all Irish people are stupid. I'm sure you would agree that it would be inappropriate in a court to raise somebodies lack of intellect based on their country of birth.
15 Nov 18
@sh76 saidThe defence should be allowed to try anything.
Would you like to try your hand and defining the parameters of what defense counsel should be allowed to argue in defense of her client? How offensive does it have to be and to whom? How outdated? By whose measure?
But surely the judge can decide on irrelevancies"?