@wildgrass said"You can, however, look at what insurers are charging for premiums in these areas for an idea of how climate disaster risk is calculated."
I repeat that the activities of individual rich people are not useful indicators of climate change. There are multitudes of reasons for buying oceanfront property.
You can, however, look at what insurers are charging for premiums in these areas for an idea of how climate disaster risk is calculated. They are the companies footing the bill when the property is damaged. In ...[text shortened]... is worth after a big disaster. In these cases, it is more lucrative to buy in disaster-prone areas.
Why don't you do that yourself so you find out there is little difference. Then what are you going to say? That all insurers are republicans? Sea levels are not rising at an alarming rate. You can stop panicking now.
@metal-brain saidYou have the figures, yet still don’t comprehend.
"The average is 3.5mm per year."
Is that all?
Don't make me laugh. That is 3.5 centimeters in 10 years. Ocean front properties are safe for at least a lifetime. You and wildgrass are making a mountain out of a molehill.
The numbers are averages.
What does it do to surges?
@metal-brain saidhttps://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/sealevelrise-tech-report.html
What alarming rise in sea levels? Shav said 3.5 mm per year on average. It is probably less than that, but I'll let him get away with it for now. It is still not alarming at all.
10-12 inches over the next 30 years. The article details why this is dangerous.
@vivify
My brother in law's place is right on the ocean front in west Palm and they are already seeing major damage due to rising levels and rising tides. For instance, there used to be a boat landing ramp but no more, the tides ripped it in two and the beach erosion is reaching almost to his apartment building.
And that is before the REAL crunch hits.
@sonhouse saidCombine rising sea levels with more severe and more frequent storms the potential for flooding and other disasters are serious.
@vivify
My brother in law's place is right on the ocean front in west Palm and they are already seeing major damage due to rising levels and rising tides. For instance, there used to be a boat landing ramp but no more, the tides ripped it in two and the beach erosion is reaching almost to his apartment building.
And that is before the REAL crunch hits.
@sonhouse saidSunstroker, you have zero proof this erosion is caused by a rising sea level. Erosion is caused by the constant battering of waves, even small waves, just the flow of water on a river bank takes a few grains away, it always occurs 24/7, even rock is worn down by wave action.
@vivify
My brother in law's place is right on the ocean front in west Palm and they are already seeing major damage due to rising levels and rising tides. For instance, there used to be a boat landing ramp but no more, the tides ripped it in two and the beach erosion is reaching almost to his apartment building.
And that is before the REAL crunch hits.
As I was explaining to shag doody, we used to do the scary stories as kids, and if you could loop something in like the floor creaking, or the rustle of bushes (or your poorly made boat ramp washed away) your story was powered up. Worked when we were seven years old, most people grew up.
@Wajoma
I SAID that was before the crunch happens. Did you ignore that bit? I know good and well it was rise in erosion rates, hurricanes and the like but they have been increasing lately as a direct result of increasing ocean temperatures, the higher the ocean temps the more powerful hurricanes become and that is a scientifically known fact.
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-sea-surface-temperature
If you look at that link you will see ocean temps have already gone up 2 degrees since 1900 and that has led to stronger hurricanes and more often hurricanes.
Like I said, that is BEFORE any huge crunch hits.
We already see some of that going on even if the sea has not risen but a few cm or inches in the past 50 years or so.
I wonder what you will say when you see your own beaches disappear in a few more decades? Still clinging to your fantasy humans are way too insignificant to ever change world weather for the worse? As you cling to the top of a palm tree waiting for rescue?
@sonhouse saidNow for my story.
@Wajoma
I SAID that was before the crunch happens. Did you ignore that bit? I know good and well it was rise in erosion rates, hurricanes and the like but they have been increasing lately as a direct result of increasing ocean temperatures, the higher the ocean temps the more powerful hurricanes become and that is a scientifically known fact.
https://www.epa.gov/climate ...[text shortened]... ever change world weather for the worse? As you cling to the top of a palm tree waiting for rescue?
More than 20 years a go Guam had 5 typhoons within 3 years, one was a super typhoon which was blowing the asphalt off the road. You should have heard the oh woe is us teeth gnasher sunstrokers. "This is life now, the weather's all f'ed up, point of no return blah, blah"
You know what, they didn't have another typhoon for 20 years, what happened to all the sunstroker prophets of doom and gloom? They were sad, their scary stories no longer had any believers.
"What happened to the typhoons?" they asked "chased away by global warming"
@vivify saidOne foot is going to be dangerous? So is tripping on your own shoe laces. I can explain why that is dangerous too. You are such a drama queen.
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazards/sealevelrise/sealevelrise-tech-report.html
10-12 inches over the next 30 years. The article details why this is dangerous.
@Metal-Brain
I guess you are a climate change denier, in the camp of humans being way to insignificant a player on the planet to ever raise average temps and such but the results plainly show ocean temps rising 2 degrees already since 1900 and that will go on unabated.
Higher heat, more water evaporates from the ocean, significantly increasing the strength of hurricanes and that has been scientifically proven time and time again.
As seen lately by the past few years of hurricanes going up in average strength but of course for you and the rest of the zombie, just weather.
@sonhouse said"As seen lately by the past few years of hurricanes going up in average strength"
@Metal-Brain
I guess you are a climate change denier, in the camp of humans being way to insignificant a player on the planet to ever raise average temps and such but the results plainly show ocean temps rising 2 degrees already since 1900 and that will go on unabated.
Higher heat, more water evaporates from the ocean, significantly increasing the strength of hurricanes an ...[text shortened]... ricanes going up in average strength but of course for you and the rest of the zombie, just weather.
That is a lie. Hurricanes have not been getting stronger. Stop lying!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hurricane_of_1780
@sonhouse saidShow me a hurricane that is stronger than this one when the climate was cooler.
@Wajoma
Here is a list of Guam typhoons for the past hundred years plus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_typhoons_in_Guam
looks like pretty bad set of typhoons if you ask me.
what decade was that zero typhoon thing from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hurricane_of_1780
Hurricanes are stronger in colder climates and weaker in warmer climates. It is a fact.
@Metal-Brain
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2019/07/how-climate-change-is-making-hurricanes-more-dangerous/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2KeTrI7eggMVwUZyCh0kAgEdEAAYASAAEgKztvD_BwE
These folks are saying hurricanes are getting stronger now due to climate change