@metal-brain saidhttps://www.npr.org/2023/08/30/1196865225/whats-the-connection-between-climate-change-and-hurricanes
Show me a hurricane that is stronger than this one when the climate was cooler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hurricane_of_1780
Hurricanes are stronger in colder climates and weaker in warmer climates. It is a fact.
A warmer ocean intensifies storms–and so does a hotter atmosphere. Warmer air can hold exponentially more water, so the hotter the air, the more vapor it can suck up. All that vapor can turn into torrential rain.
There is a growing body of evidence showing that hurricanes are intensifying more quickly, turning from less-serious storms to very strong ones in hours or days. Superheated ocean waters hold a lot of extra energy, and a growing storm can draw from that enormous pool.
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@sonhouse saidYou wouldn't be so lazy as to not even read your own link would you. You wouldn't do that sunstroker I'm sure.
@Wajoma
Here is a list of Guam typhoons for the past hundred years plus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_typhoons_in_Guam
looks like pretty bad set of typhoons if you ask me.
what decade was that zero typhoon thing from?
All those are close calls and tropical storms. Typhoon Mawar earlier this year was the first direct hit in years. Many people got caught out because they'd become so complacent, generators unmaintained with old fuel, no shutters. The joke was anyone arriving in the last 20 years claimed typhoons were an urban myth they became so rare.
"...looks like pretty bad set of typhoons if you ask me."
So you can see why I'd ask the people that actually live on Guam and absolutely not bother asking you.
@vivify saidThat is a lie. There are less hurricanes in a warmer climate. That is a scientific fact.
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/30/1196865225/whats-the-connection-between-climate-change-and-hurricanesA warmer ocean intensifies storms–and so does a hotter atmosphere. Warmer air can hold exponentially more water, so the hotter the air, the more vapor it can suck up. All that vapor can turn into torrential rain.
There is a growing body of evidence showing that hur ...[text shortened]... ean waters hold a lot of extra energy, and a growing storm can draw from that enormous pool.
The Atlantic ocean is always warm in the summer months. It takes more than a warm ocean to fuel a hurricane. It also takes a colder upper atmosphere which is why hurricanes are more frequent in a cooler climate.
It takes more than evaporation to fuel a hurricane. It also takes condensation. No condensation, no hurricane. If all it took was evaporation there would be never ending hurricanes every day in the north Atlantic. Europeans could not cross the ocean without dying first. It would be a completely different world if what NPR said in that link was true.
Leave it to NPR to spread misinformation any expert on hurricanes could have easily debunked.
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@sonhouse saidThat is because they are spreading disinformation. yaleclimateconnections are one of the biggest liars out there and NPR is more than willing to give them a platform on radio to bombard people with junk science. Don't even get me started on Sience Friday. Ira Flatow is no better.
@Metal-Brain
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2019/07/how-climate-change-is-making-hurricanes-more-dangerous/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2KeTrI7eggMVwUZyCh0kAgEdEAAYASAAEgKztvD_BwE
These folks are saying hurricanes are getting stronger now due to climate change
A study by the Global Warming Policy Foundation shows that hurricanes, in fact, are not getting more common, or stronger.
The most reliable data is for US landfalling hurricanes, for which the US Hurricane Research Division maintains records back to 1851. The data show no upward trend in hurricane frequency.
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@metal-brain saidThen how about NASA:
Leave it to NPR to spread misinformation any expert on hurricanes could have easily debunked.
https://www.nasa.gov/general/five-questions-to-help-you-understand-hurricanes-and-climate-change/
Hurricanes depend on four main ingredients to form. First, they need heat or energy stored in the upper layer of the ocean. This ocean heat content powers a storm similar to how fuel powers an engine.
Ocean heat, air humidity, wind — all these ingredients factor into hurricane formation. And all are affected by climate change.
The ocean has absorbed 90% of the warming that has occurred in recent decades due to increasing greenhouse gasses
Is NASA also spreading "misinformation"?
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@vivify saidYes, they are a government agency that spreads propaganda their own data does not support. Their own sea level data shows global warming before the automobile existed. It was not CO2 levels that caused global warming. We came out of the little ice age. Of course there is global warming. Did you expect the climate to stay cold?
then how about NASA:
https://www.nasa.gov/general/five-questions-to-help-you-understand-hurricanes-and-climate-change/Hurricanes depend on four main ingredients to form. First, they need heat or energy stored in the upper layer of the ocean. This ocean heat content powers a storm similar to how fuel powers an engine.
How does climate change interact with a hu ...[text shortened]... recent decades due to increasing greenhouse gasses
Is NASA also spreading "misinformation"?
Did NASA mention anything about condensation caused by a cold upper atmosphere? Hurricanes cannot form without it. That combined condensation with evaporation causes the cycle. You need both to fuel the cycle. That is why there were more hurricanes when the climate was colder.
Newspapers and TV channels alike can get more viewers and readers with apocalyptic ‘Worse Than Ever’ headlines. Worse still, many such organizations are happy simply to make up facts to suit themselves.
For instance, last year the BBC baldly stated, in a supposedly factual piece, that ‘a warmer world is bringing us a greater number of hurricanes and a greater risk of a hurricane becoming the most powerful category 5’.
They were forced to retract this claim only after an official complaint, by which time the false information had gone ’round the world and back.
@metal-brain saidThen how about National Geographic:
Yes, they are a government agency that spreads propaganda their own data does not support.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/how-climate-change-is-fueling-hurricanes-like-ida
How climate change is fueling hurricanes like Ida
It seems that all respected publications and organizations agree on climate change making hurricanes worse.
@vivify saidLiberal publications often spread misinformation they bought into. Some people honestly believe the lies they are told and spread the information unwittingly. They simply trust the democrat party to tell them the truth. They honestly believe it, just like you did.
Then how about National Geographic:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/how-climate-change-is-fueling-hurricanes-like-ida
How climate change is fueling hurricanes like Ida
It seems that all respected publications and organizations agree on climate change making hurricanes worse.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/03/22/bbc-forced-to-retract-false-claim-about-hurricanes/
@metal-brain saidYour source claims the BBC updated their article with a correction. No correction is found in the BBC article your source links to.
Liberal publications often spread misinformation they bought into. Some people honestly believe the lies they are told and spread the information unwittingly. They simply trust the democrat party to tell them the truth. They honestly believe it, just like you did.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/03/22/bbc-forced-to-retract-false-claim-about-hurricanes/
I guess your source assumes none of its readers would actually bother to click the BBC link and check for themselves?
@vivify saidHere is an excerpt from that very BBC link:
Your source claims the BBC updated their article with a correction. No correction is found in the BBC article your source links to.
I guess your source assumes none of its readers would actually bother to click the BBC link and check for themselves?
"Globally, the frequency of tropical cyclones has not increased, and in fact the number may have fallen - although long-term data is limited in some regions."
The article even provided their scientific source, the journal Nature.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-022-01388-4
@metal-brain saidFine. But you said they posted a retraction which doesn't seem to be the case based on your source.
Here is an excerpt from that very BBC link:
"Globally, the frequency of tropical cyclones has not increased, and in fact the number may have fallen - although long-term data is limited in some regions."
The article even provided their scientific source, the journal Nature.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-022-01388-4
@metal-brain saidThat same article also points out there's been an increase in "major" hurricanes. The number if individual hurricanes may not have increase the the destructive power of has.
Here is an excerpt from that very BBC link:
"Globally, the frequency of tropical cyclones has not increased, and in fact the number may have fallen - although long-term data is limited in some regions."
The article even provided their scientific source, the journal Nature.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-022-01388-4
@vivify
Declining tropical cyclone frequency under global warming
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-022-01388-4