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    28 May '11 11:57
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43202283/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/

    The geopolitical changes in the Middle East have their first effect on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Mubarak had agreed to a joint blockade of Gaza to punish the Gazans for having the temerity to vote for Hamas, but with his ouster it seems certain that Egypt will be less willing to simply follow the directions of the US in these types of matters.

    What effect will this crack in the Israeli-US strategy towards Hamas have on the situation in the Middle East and the prospects (which seem pretty poor right now based on Bibi's speech) for an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal?
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    Who cares about making peace with Israel. It is better for Gazans to fight for their rights to trade with other countries and come and go as they please. Collateral punishment of Israelis has to stop, whatever the case, if it be using dictators to achieve their punishments onto the innocent or going on homicidal killing rampages of children.

    The answer for Gazans isnt the ideology of Israelis who want to trap them to being stuck in the same day but advancing forward, yet the Israelis do not care for the Gazans.... only themselves. With the help of Egypt and others from various places around the world peace will more likely be achieved, more then anything Israel or US for that matter has to offer. Hamas while they are cagged in a prison as that is the representation of the imprisoned people uner democracy. But when such a time arrives that Israeli seiges are broken and with that advancement they will vote in a more moderate government like Fatah and further down the track more moderate again but only when they are capable to advance which under Israeli oppression is not possible.
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    NZ network to campaign for international Gaza flotilla26

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    Kia Ora Gaza media release

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    “Kia Ora Gaza will soon be launching a campaign for Freedom Flotilla 2, an international fleet due to sail to Gaza in late June to break Israel’s illegal siege of the Palestinian coastal enclave,” said Grant Morgan, co-organiser of New Zealand’s Gaza support network.

    “More details will be announced over coming days about Kia Ora Gaza’s involvement with this European-driven civil society initiative.”

    Kia Ora Gaza was set up in response to Israel’s deadly attack on Gaza aid ship Mavi Marmara in May 2010, when nine civil society volunteers were shot to death in a violent act of state piracy.

    Later in 2010, Kia Ora Gaza raised NZ$100,000 to send a six-person team on an international land convoy to Gaza led by UK charity Viva Palestina. NZ$7 million of medical aid and other humanitarian supplies were successfully delivered to Gaza via Egypt’s land crossing after a tense 10-day standoff with the now-deposed regime in Cairo.

    In March 2010, United Nations secretary-general Ban-Ki Moon said the blockade of Gaza causes “unacceptable suffering” to its residents, while the UN Human Rights Council has repeatedly called for the Israeli siege to be lifted.

    “Yet Gaza’s 1.5 million Palestinians are still suffering from Israel’s cruel and criminal siege, which includes a ferocious sea blockade,” said Mr Morgan. “Every year, dozens of Gazan fishermen are killed and wounded by Israeli warships for putting a net in the sea to support their families.”
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    28 May '11 16:39
    I have no problem with Egypt opening the border, especially to allow Palestinian refugees who are caught in between Hamas crazies and disproportionate Israeli attacks on them.
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    29 May '11 02:44
    Originally posted by Kostenuik
    This is next on my countries list...

    NZ network to campaign for international Gaza flotilla26

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    Kia Ora Gaza media release

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    “Kia Ora Gaza will soon be launching a campaign for Freedom Flotilla 2, an international fleet due to sail to Gaza in late June to break Israel’s illegal siege of the Palestinian coastal enclave,” said Gr ...[text shortened]... killed and wounded by Israeli warships for putting a net in the sea to support their families.”
    Why do you need a flotilla to break the blockade if the border is open???

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    29 May '11 02:55
    Originally posted by sh76
    Why do you need a flotilla to break the blockade if the border is open???

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    29 May '11 14:18
    Originally posted by sh76
    Why do you need a flotilla to break the blockade if the border is open???

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    29 May '11 14:21
    Originally posted by sh76
    Why do you need a flotilla to break the blockade if the border is open???

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    Why does the US have ports when we could just trade overland with Canada and Mexico?
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    29 May '11 17:42
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Why does the US have ports when we could just trade overland with Canada and Mexico?
    Is it really necessary to risk life and limb to run a blockade to avoid landing in the Sinai and trucking the goods into Gaza?
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    29 May '11 17:57
    Originally posted by sh76
    Is it really necessary to risk life and limb to run a blockade to avoid landing in the Sinai and trucking the goods into Gaza?
    Rafah is not a cargo crossing; Israel controls all of those. Even if small amounts of materials could be trucked in through Rafah, an end to the blockade is needed to insure that necessary materials are imported into Gaza and exports allowed out. Israel severely restricts both to the detriment of Gaza's people (in violation of IL).

    BTW, your post really didn't address my question. I'm sure the US would find the idea of a blockade of their territory objectionable even if ships could land in Newfoundland and truck goods into upstate New York.
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