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  1. 03 Dec '09 18:03
    1939 09 01: Bombing of Wielun turns WWII into a World War, Luftwaffe, 1K killed.
    1939 09 01: Bombing/shelling of Warsaw, Luftwaffe, 40K killed.
    1940 09 07: Firebombing of London, Coventry, etc. starts, Luftwaffe (the Blitz).
    1940 05 10: Firebombing of London, Coventry, etc. ends.
    1940 05 14: Bombing of Rotterdam, NL, Luftwaffe, 1K killed.
    1940 05 14: Bombing of Hamburg begins, RAF.
    1941 12 07: Bombing of Pearl Harbor, IJNAS (Imperial Japanese Naval Air Service), 2.4K killed.
    1943 07 24: Firebombing of Hamburg, USAAF and RAF, 50K killed.
    1945 02 13: Firebombing of Dresden, USAAF and RAF, 25K-35K killed.
    1945 02 19: B-29 missions against Tokyo start.
    1945 02 25: Firebombing of Tokyo, USAF, 28,000 buildings destroyed.
    1945 03 10: Firebombing of Tokyo, USAF, 100K killed.
    1945 03 17: Firebombing of Kobe, USAF, 9K killed.
    1945 04 12: FDR dies suddenly (stroke). ===========================
    1945 04 30: Hitler suicides.
    1945 05 07: Germany surrenders.
    1945 07 20: Attempt to bomb Japanese Imperial Palace misses in overcast.
    1945 07 26: Potsdam Declaration (Truman/Churchill/Chiang), This ultimatum stated that, if Japan did not surrender, it would face "prompt and utter destruction."
    1945 07 28: Premier Kantaro Suzuki rejects Potsdam Declaration.
    1945 08 06: Nuclear bombing of Hiroshima, USAF, 140K killed (inc. deaths up to end of 1945).
    1945 08 09: Nuclear bombing of Hiroshima, USAF, 80K killed (inc. deaths up to end of 1945).
    1945 08 10: B-29 missions against Tokyo end (last mission).
    1945 08 15: Japan surrenders: Emperor Hirohito accepts the Potsdam Declaration.
    1945 11 01: Scheduled commencement of invasion of Kyushu (not carried out).
    1946 03 10: Scheduled commencement of invasion of Honshu (not carried out).


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_bombing_of_cities
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firebombing
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing_during_World_War_II

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokusatsu
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyokuon-h%C5%8Ds%C5%8D

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Hamburg_in_World_War_II

    Operation Gomorrah caused at least 50,000 deaths, and left over a million German civilians homeless. Approximately 3,000 aircraft were deployed, 9,000 tons of bombs were dropped, and over 250,000 homes and houses were destroyed.[citation needed] No subsequent city raid shook Germany as did that on Hamburg; documents show that German officials were thoroughly alarmed, and there is some indication from later Allied interrogations of Nazi officials that Hitler stated that further raids of similar weight would force Germany out of the war. Hamburg was hit by air raids another 69 times before the end of World War II.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing_during_World_War_II#United_States_strategic_bombing_of_Japan

    United States strategic bombing of Japan

    The United States strategic bombing of Japan took place between 1942 and 1945. In the last seven months of the campaign, a change to firebombing tactics resulted in great destruction of 67 Japanese cities, as many as 500,000 Japanese deaths and some 5 million more made homeless. Emperor Hirohito's viewing of the destroyed areas of Tokyo in March 1945, is said to have been the beginning of his personal involvement in the peace process, culminating in Japan's surrender five months later.[112]
  2. 03 Dec '09 18:04
    this didn't happen in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we've heard no end of complaints about the "failure" to end these wars.
  3. 03 Dec '09 19:18 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing_during_World_War_II#United_States_strategic_bombing_of_Japan

    Conventional bombing damage to Japanese cities in WWII[111] City ↓ % area
    destroyed ↓
    Yokohama 58
    Tokyo 51
    Toyama 99
    Nagoya 40
    Osaka 35.1
    Nishinomiya 11.9
    Shimonoseki 37.6
    Kure 41.9
    Kobe 55.7
    Omuta 35.8
    Wakayama 50
    Kawasaki 36.2
    Okayama 68.9
    Yahata 21.2
    Kagoshima 63.4
    Amagasaki 18.9
    Sasebo 41.4
    Moji 23.3
    Miyakonojō 26.5
    Nobeoka 25.2
    Miyazaki 26.1
    Ube 20.7
    Saga 44.2
    Imabari 63.9
    Matsuyama 64
    Fukui 86
    Tokushima 85.2
    Sakai 48.2
    Hachioji 65
    Kumamoto 31.2
    Isesaki 56.7
    Takamatsu 67.5
    Akashi 50.2
    Fukuyama 80.9
    Aomori 30
    Okazaki 32.2
    Ōita 28.2
    Hiratsuka 48.4
    Tokuyama 48.3
    Yokkaichi 33.6
    Ujiyamada 41.3
    Ōgaki 39.5
    Gifu 63.6
    Shizuoka 66.1
    Himeji 49.4
    Fukuoka 24.1
    Kōchi 55.2
    Shimizu 42
    Omura 33.1
    Chiba 41
    Ichinomiya 56.3
    Nara 69.3
    Tsu 69.3
    Kuwana 75
    Toyohashi 61.9
    Numazu 42.3
    Choshi 44.2
    Kofu 78.6
    Utsunomiya 43.7
    Mito 68.9
    Sendai 21.9
    Tsuruga 65.1
    Nagaoka 64.9
    Hitachi 72
    Kumagaya 55.1
    Hamamatsu 60.3
    Maebashi 64.2


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  4. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    03 Dec '09 19:28
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    this didn't happen in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we've heard no end of complaints about the "failure" to end these wars.
    One difference would be the absence of actual war in Iraq or Afghanistan -- war in the sense of conflict between nations, like Japan and the USA in WW2, both with their own heads of state, armed forces, etc. You seem to be proposing carpet-bombing your allies, the puppet states of Iraq and Afghanistan, such as they are.
  5. 03 Dec '09 19:42
    oh-ho! then the war's already over! mission accomplished!
  6. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    03 Dec '09 19:47
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    oh-ho! then the war's already over! mission accomplished!
    The war ended in Iraq some time ago; just police work now. There never was a war in Afghanistan ... only people dying for nothing. But maybe there was a mission. How was it defined?
  7. 03 Dec '09 22:14
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    The war ended in Iraq some time ago; just police work now. There never was a war in Afghanistan ... only people dying for nothing. But maybe there was a mission. How was it defined?
    There was never a war in Iraq either. It was an invasion.
  8. Standard member smw6869
    Granny
    03 Dec '09 22:43
    Originally posted by scherzo
    There was never a war in Iraq either. It was an invasion.
    According to the schmuck with the 3 foot neck it was "The mother of all WARS"

    GRANNY.
  9. 04 Dec '09 00:24
    Originally posted by smw6869
    According to the schmuck with the 3 foot neck it was "The mother of all WARS"

    GRANNY.
    And according to the chimp with the brass neck it was 'Mission Accomplished' in May 2003.
  10. 04 Dec '09 01:07
    Originally posted by smw6869
    According to the schmuck with the 3 foot neck it was "The mother of all WARS"

    GRANNY.
    I don't care. It was totally asymmetrical, there were no armies, and it was therefore not a war.
  11. Standard member smw6869
    Granny
    04 Dec '09 02:59
    Originally posted by scherzo
    I don't care. It was totally asymmetrical, there were no armies, and it was therefore not a war.
    There were two armies, but the Iraqi army was destroyed in a matter of days.

    GRANNY.
  12. 04 Dec '09 03:00
    Originally posted by scherzo
    I don't care. It was totally asymmetrical, there were no armies, and it was therefore not a war.
    no armies?!?
  13. 05 Dec '09 20:16
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    no armies?!?
    Let me rephrase that: no real armies. The Iraqi "army" has been more of a few ragtag militias since 1994.
  14. 06 Dec '09 01:12
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    The war ended in Iraq some time ago; just police work now. There never was a war in Afghanistan ... only people dying for nothing. But maybe there was a mission. How was it defined?
    It was defined as a " Slap me down " by two intergrated ,
    super powers !!!!
    Two leaders of the free world flexing their muscles !!! Stamping their places in history !!!
  15. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    06 Dec '09 01:38
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    this didn't happen in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we've heard no end of complaints about the "failure" to end these wars.
    Current military theory is that bombing civilians did not help either side in WWII.