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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    01 Sep '10 21:17
    or both?

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/01/maryland.discovery.suspect/?hpt=Sbin

    The man who held at least three hostages in a nearly four-hour standoff Wednesday at the Discovery Channel headquarters in Silver Spring, Maryland, is an environmental protester who has posted online rants against the network in the past, a senior law enforcement source close to the investigation said.

    The man was identified by law enforcement sources as 43-year-old James Lee. Police said he was shot and the hostages were freed unharmed. The suspect's condition was not immediately known.

    An angry manifesto posted by Lee on a website called SaveThePlanetProtest.com repeatedly refers to humans as "filth" and demands that the Discovery Channel "stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants."

    "Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is," the 1,149-word statement says.

    "Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what's left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture," it continues.

    Lee also blasts immigration, farming, weapons of mass destruction, automotive pollution, "and the whole blasted human economy."

    He demands that the Discovery Channel broadcast daily prime-time shows devoted to "solutions to save the planet," perhaps in a game-show format, insisting "Make it interesting so people watch and apply solutions!!!!"

    Many of Lee's comments are directed at "the media," saying "You can reach enough people. It's your responsibility because you reach so many minds!!!"

    "The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans," the manifesto says.

    "These are the demands and sayings of Lee," the manifesto concludes.

    The website also refers to a week-long protest outside the Discovery headquarters in February 2008.

    etc.


    So, should we "stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants"?

    Does Mr. Lee have a good point, if perhaps a poor manner of expressing himself?
  2. 01 Sep '10 21:23 / 1 edit
    it would have been much better if Mr. Lee had chosen the much more constructive path of debating the issue here at RHP.
  3. 01 Sep '10 21:30
    Originally posted by sh76
    Does Mr. Lee have a good point
    no
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    01 Sep '10 22:06 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    it would have been much better if Mr. Lee had chosen the much more constructive path of debating the issue here at RHP.
    hmmm

    Has anyone seen Howardgee lately?
  5. 01 Sep '10 22:28
    Just goes to show what can happen to people when they start believing Al Gore:

    Lee said at the time that he experienced an ‘‘awakening” when he watched former Vice President Al Gore’s environmental documentary ‘‘An Inconvenient Truth.”


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38957020/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/


    I'm just glad he isn't around to cause more problems.
  6. Standard member randolph
    the walrus
    01 Sep '10 22:44 / 1 edit
    Yes, because Al Gore promotes killing people. Can we start blaming the guy that flew into the IRS building on Glenn Beck?

    Also, angry lone nut. Radical change is necessary but this isn't the way to get it.
  7. 01 Sep '10 23:04
    Radical change is needed? If you say so.
  8. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    02 Sep '10 03:14 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    or both?

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/01/maryland.discovery.suspect/?hpt=Sbin

    The man who held at least three hostages in a nearly four-hour standoff Wednesday at the Discovery Channel headquarters in Silver Spring, Maryland, is an environmental protester who has posted online rants against the network in the past, a senior law enforcement source e have a good point, if perhaps a poor manner of expressing himself?
    He has some good points. some not so good. Of course he could have expressed himself better, but the fact that more people aren't as angry as Mr. Lee causes me more concern than he does.
  9. 02 Sep '10 03:40
    Originally posted by randolph
    Yes, because Al Gore promotes killing people. Can we start blaming the guy that flew into the IRS building on Glenn Beck?

    Also, angry lone nut. Radical change is necessary but this isn't the way to get it.
    If memory serves, the unabomber would mail bombs to CEO's and was an environmentalist wacko. In his little log cabin in Montana they found a stash of Al Gore books. So can Al Gore be blamed for inciting such violence?
  10. 02 Sep '10 04:17 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by rwingett
    He has some good points. some not so good. Of course he could have expressed himself better, but the fact that more people aren't as angry as Mr. Lee causes me more concern than he does.
    He has some great points? Which ones does rwingett think were "some good points"?

    "The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:

    1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!

    2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.

    3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!

    4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??

    5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)

    6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!

    7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people's brains until they get it!!

    8. Saving the Planet means saving what's left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You're the media, you can reach enough people. It's your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!

    9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.

    10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!

    11. You're also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.

    Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what's left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.

    For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human's lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!


    It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It's like a couple are having 30 babies even though it's just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!

    Also, war must be halted. Not because it's morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!

    The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.

    Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.

    The humans? The planet does not need humans.

    You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!

    I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.

    These are the demands and sayings of Lee.

    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2010/09/01/james_j_lee_manifesto_discovery_gunman
  11. 02 Sep '10 06:24
    Why is it so difficult for people to fathom that a lump of rock is not conscious?
  12. Donation bbarr
    Chief Justice
    02 Sep '10 06:28
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    [b]He has some great points? Which ones does rwingett think were "some good points"?

    "The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:

    1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's " ...[text shortened]... ww.salon.com/news/feature/2010/09/01/james_j_lee_manifesto_discovery_gunman[/b]
    I fully support his demand that TV be more interesting.
  13. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    02 Sep '10 10:37
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    [b]He has some great points? Which ones does rwingett think were "some good points"?

    "The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:

    1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's " ...[text shortened]... ww.salon.com/news/feature/2010/09/01/james_j_lee_manifesto_discovery_gunman[/b]
    The fact is that there are too many people, which leads to habitat loss, environmental degradation, and a strain on resources. In 1800 there were 1 billion people in the world. In 1900 there were about 1.75 billion. In 1950 - 2.5 billion. From 1950 to 2000 the world's population exploded from 2.5 billion to over 6 billion. We'll hit 7 billion before long, if we haven't already. This rate of growth is clearly unsustainable. Zero population growth should be a top priority the world over. Clearly, though, Mr. Lee should not be the PR spokesman for this point of view.
  14. 02 Sep '10 12:27
    Originally posted by rwingett
    The fact is that there are too many people, which leads to habitat loss, environmental degradation, and a strain on resources. In 1800 there were 1 billion people in the world. In 1900 there were about 1.75 billion. In 1950 - 2.5 billion. From 1950 to 2000 the world's population exploded from 2.5 billion to over 6 billion. We'll hit 7 billion before long, i ...[text shortened]... e world over. Clearly, though, Mr. Lee should not be the PR spokesman for this point of view.
    "Zero population growth should be a top priority the world over." rwingett

    And how should mankind go about accomplishing this?
  15. 02 Sep '10 12:42
    Originally posted by randolph
    Yes, because Al Gore promotes killing people. Can we start blaming the guy that flew into the IRS building on Glenn Beck?

    Also, angry lone nut. Radical change is necessary but this isn't the way to get it.
    "Yes, because Al Gore promotes killing people."

    I agree with you. You cant blame someone for someone else actions

    "Can we start blaming the guy that flew into the IRS building on Glenn Beck?"

    I think this has been done. Maybe it was O'reilly being to blamed. Don't know for sure.

    Mr. Lee was clearly suffering from some sort of mental disorder.