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  1. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    15 Mar '11 08:09
    http://www.ec4i.org/

    ECI calls upon the EU to immediately stop funding of Palestinian incitement to hatred after brutal murder of Jewish family in Israeli town of Itamar
    Brussels, 14 March, 2011 – While the government of Israel was one of the first countries to offer help to Japan after the massive tsunami which hit the Japanese coastland on Friday, a Palestinian terrorist brutally slaughtered a Jewish family of five in the Israeli town of Itamar, the youngest of whom was a baby less than a year old.

    The two main news items of the weekend contradict one another in that the Israeli government is reaching out to save lives, while its adversaries take lives by murdering innocent children in their sleep.
    ECI has for many years alerted the European Union institutions in Brussels about the Palestinian Authority incitement to terror and the culture of death, which is penetrating Palestinian society, through their media, education and popular culture. On the day when the brutal murder of the Fogel family was announced, Hamas was celebrating their death by handing out sweets to children in the streets of Gaza. Meanwhile the Palestinian Authority was announcing the name of a new street called after a convicted terrorist.

    A Palestinian child can walk to school today along a street named after terrorist Abu Jihad, who planned a bus hijacking that killed 37, spend the day in school named after Ahmad Yassin, play soccer in the afternoon in a tournament honouring terrorist Abd Al-Basset Odeh, who killed 31, and end his day at a youth center named after Abu Iyad, who was responsible for killing 11 Israeli Olympic athletes in Munich.

    The European Union should now seriously reconsider its massive financial support to the Palestinian Authority where, as this example demonstrates, hatred is incorporated into the very fabric of everyday life. As the EU is the main financier of the Palestinian Authority, they are also partly responsible for its output. For those EU member states which are currently pressing for the removal of Hamas from the EU terrorist list, the event of this past weekend has made the case crystal clear. Hamas is not a partner for peace but a promoter of death and destruction.
    The EU now needs to change its policy focus in the Middle East from condemning Jewish settlements to condemning those who try to demonize and ultimately will want to kill Jews regardless of where in Israel they live.

    Jewish settlers are not the obstacle to peace. Palestinian terrorists who kill innocent children are the obstacles to peace, and promoters of a culture which celebrate murder of innocent Jewish children can never live in peace with their neighbours.


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    How do you feel about the EU using your taxes to fund Palestinian terrorists?
  2. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    15 Mar '11 08:55
    I feel great that the EU doesn't decide based on which streets are named after whom.

    Do you have any clue about what programs the EU funds in Palestine? Thought not.
  3. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    15 Mar '11 08:57
    I do. Do you?

    I also know about the investigations for resource
    funneling by some corrupt authorities. However,
    I don't know where the money goes after that.
    It could be Switzerland or it could be to purchase
    rockets which are then fired into Israeli soil.
  4. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    15 Mar '11 09:04
    Originally posted by Seitse
    I also know about the investigations for resource
    funneling by some corrupt authorities. However,
    I don't know where the money goes after that.
    It could be Switzerland or it could be to purchase
    rockets which are then fired into Israeli soil.
    Do you think that the E.U. should perhaps funnel its money into equipping the Palestinians with more conventional weaponry and military capability?
  5. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    15 Mar '11 09:14
    Originally posted by FMF
    Do you think that the E.U. should perhaps funnel its money into equipping the Palestinians with more conventional weaponry and military capability?
    Do you?
  6. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    15 Mar '11 09:24
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Do you?
    Well, no. I prefer the EU.'s efforts - imperfect as they are - to build up Gaza Strip and the West Bank in terms of infrastructure and civil society. You seem to want to focus on whether or not they have some rockets. If it's 'military' capability you're interested in, have you considered how if the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were on a par with Israel militarily, there might be an uneasy stalemate in which there were less incidents of killing? The balance of killing has been so lopsided for so long. I mean, we're looking for a way out here, right? Not just rooting for one side or the other, right?
  7. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    15 Mar '11 09:49
    Originally posted by Seitse
    How do you feel about the EU using your taxes to fund Palestinian terrorists?[/b]
    Dear oh dear.
    You do know that there have been Israeli incursions in 2011?

    You do know that Israel's main airport is named after a man who is co-responsible for ethnic cleansing?

    You do know that Israel buys European weapons?

    Surely it's just good, common capitalist sense to supply to both parties?
  8. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    15 Mar '11 09:53
    Originally posted by FMF
    The balance of killing has been so lopsided for so long.
    Really? How long?

    If we count from the dawn of time, starting with Muhammad,
    you really would faint with the figures of how many Christians
    and Jews have been massacred or humiliatingly subjected to
    dhimmi status.
  9. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    15 Mar '11 09:57
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Really? How long?

    If we count from the dawn of time, starting with Muhammad,
    you really would faint with the figures of how many Christians
    and Jews have been massacred or humiliatingly subjected to
    dhimmi status.
    Yeah... really. I think if we're gonna use numbers, it's the Christians who've done the most murdering over there.

    As for religiously led countries though, I'm sure you'll agree that Israel has murdered far more Palestinians than Palestinians Israelis.
  10. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    15 Mar '11 10:02
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Really? How long?

    If we count from the dawn of time...
    The dawn of time? No. Let's say, to keep this on topic, since the E.U. has been funding the Palestinian Authority.
  11. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    15 Mar '11 10:05
    Originally posted by FMF
    The dawn of time? No. Let's say, to keep this on topic, since the E.U. has been funding the Palestinian Authority.
    No, let's take it back to Muhammad's time, please.

    You know, not doing so would be like ignoring that
    the conflict dates back to the dawn of times.

    Or you think otherwise regarding its origin?
  12. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    15 Mar '11 10:07
    Originally posted by Seitse
    No, let's take it back to Muhammad's time, please.
    Others will be along shortly, no doubt, to indulge you on this one.
  13. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    15 Mar '11 10:08
    Originally posted by FMF
    The dawn of time? No. Let's say, to keep this on topic, since the E.U. has been funding the Palestinian Authority.
    How can you resist the temptation to join the historical bodycount debate?! Just think, you could bring up how many were slain by the Romans -- and turn it into a Europeans versus Arabs discussion! Exciting, too, the prospect of finally reconciling the evergreen sentiment that Israelis, unlike Arabs, embrace European values with the quaint European tradition that led up to the Holocaust (assuming that it really happened)!!!
  14. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    15 Mar '11 10:12
    You guys will love this... really, no kidding.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2003/11/modern-day-jihad-the-casualties.html

    When it boils down to killing, I would like to remind you of the word of
    Maulana Inyadullah:

    "The Americans love Pepsi-Cola, we love death"
  15. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    15 Mar '11 10:13
    Originally posted by Seitse
    No, let's take it back to Muhammad's time, please.

    You know, not doing so would be like ignoring that
    the conflict dates back to the dawn of times.

    Or you think otherwise regarding its origin?
    Why not take it back to the sacking of Caan then. And the whole-sale, Hebrew led, destruction of their society, culture... well... and lives?