Originally posted by der schwarze RitterFirst of all your excuse for the war is utter cr@p.
We are fighting in Iraq because this is the primary front for the War on Terrorism. In the future, it might be necessary to engage the enemy in Iran, Syria or someplace else.
Secondly, why has this war increased the power of terrorists organisations around the world? Isnt this counter productive. An idiot could of seen that coming.
Originally posted by Rajk999Who here is defending terrorists?
I think I need professional help. I get such pleasure from provoking these 'terrorist defenders'. Maybe the same thing happens to you ?
You need help because you can't form an opinion by yourself. You’re like an obsolete old man babbling about how it was in the good ol days while you get left behind by modern society and stay faithful to the Jurassic point of view.
And you are quite easily provoked yourself without even knowing it.
Originally posted by EsotericCreating off-shore hot-spots for gunfire has many practical uses for governments and industries.
First of all your excuse for the war is utter cr@p.
Secondly, why has this war increased the power of terrorists organisations around the world? Isnt this counter productive. An idiot could of seen that coming.
For one: If you were a car sales person and you could sell 1-use hot rods for cash to people willing to pay 5 times what you would get in a peaceful area, would you do it? I mean, that's 5 times your money!
Lets just change car sales person out with a military official from the US who has been charged with disposing of out-of-date bombs in the most profitable way possible?
Where you going to sell them if there's no hot-spots?
So, what does one do, from a country perspective, with all those bombs, planes, tanks, RPGs, AKs, etc left over from the cold war?
Duh, you sell em!
Ahh, but the poor in Africa don't really have the means.
And you start thinking, Man, did the weapons dealers ever have it easy back during crusade times...
[insert light bulb]
Now insert light bulbs for every old military person across all nations in charge of making a profit on old ammo and technology.
As for what the media thinks...
As was said Citizen Kane "Dear Wheeler: you provide the prose poems. I'll provide the war.".
Originally posted by EsotericGo drink a nice cold beer and relax before you give yourself a heart attack, Eso. 🙂
Who here is defending terrorists?
You need help because you can't form an opinion by yourself. You’re like an obsolete old man babbling about how it was in the good ol days while you get left behind by modern society and stay faithful to the Jurassic point of view.
And you are quite easily provoked yourself without even knowing it.
Originally posted by EsotericThat's funny you make the claim the U.S. is charging in where it's unwanted, but all we're doing is holding the hand of the UN and once again cleaning up the mess that the effete European colonial powers left: Think Vietnam, Bosnia, Somalia, and now, Iraq.
I would say the fact that the rest of the world hates the US would say otherwise.
The day of invading countries and charging in their with your d**k out showing how macho tough you are is over. Get used to it.
PS. Why should other countries increase security all because the US invaded a country for no reason and screwed it up big-time (again)?
Wher ...[text shortened]... ron? Why is Al Qaeda just as strong as pre 9-11? Because you brains beats dumb brawn every time.
Originally posted by EsotericYou need to read the New York Times -- even their biased editorial columnists have admitted that the Surge worked. Admit it -- you're just another loudmouthed European with a raging mad-on against the United States.
First of all your excuse for the war is utter cr@p.
Secondly, why has this war increased the power of terrorists organisations around the world? Isnt this counter productive. An idiot could of seen that coming.
Originally posted by EsotericYou're the one who's unhinged since you're obviously rooting for the terrorists.
Who here is defending terrorists?
You need help because you can't form an opinion by yourself. You’re like an obsolete old man babbling about how it was in the good ol days while you get left behind by modern society and stay faithful to the Jurassic point of view.
And you are quite easily provoked yourself without even knowing it.
Originally posted by Rajk999Granted, it may have worked in the short term. Shouldn't you be more worried about the long term? We'll probably have to wait a couple of decades to find out how wise dedicating so many resources to the invasion was.
I find it interesting that many people make statements like this which seems to make sense. But the passage of time is proving them to be wrong. Yet they will keep saying the same thing.
The war started in 2003 and since that time nobody dared to attack the US again.
Originally posted by mrstabbyOf course the converse of your argument is: How wise would it be to let these madmen go unchallenged?
Granted, it may have worked in the short term. Shouldn't you be more worried about the long term? We'll probably have to wait a couple of decades to find out how wise dedicating so many resources to the invasion was.
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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
That's funny you make the claim the U.S. is charging in where it's unwanted, but all we're doing is holding the hand of the UN..
and once again cleaning up the mess that the effete European colonial powers left: Think Vietnam, Bosnia, Somalia, and now, Iraq.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterThat is not the converse of the argument.
Of course the converse of your argument is: How wise would it be to let these madmen go unchallenged?
Unfortunately you seem unable to think in anything other than black and white; even then you get it wrong.
Challenging terrorists is good. Creating millions of refugees from a country that was an enemy of Iran and AQ is NOT challenging terrorism it is creating the conditions for recruitment.
Originally posted by petrosianpupilSlight correction there, Petro. Saddam wasn't as so much an enemy as he was unsupportive. Being unsupportive of AQ seems like enough for AQ to get mad at you.It's not like he was out knocking AQ heads.
That is not the converse of the argument.
Unfortunately you seem unable to think in anything other than black and white; even then you get it wrong.
Challenging terrorists is good. Creating millions of refugees from a country that was an enemy of Iran and AQ is NOT challenging terrorism it is creating the conditions for recruitment.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterBosnia and Somalia are not alone as examples of good US interventions.
That's funny you make the claim the U.S. is charging in where it's unwanted, but all we're doing is holding the hand of the UN and once again cleaning up the mess that the effete European colonial powers left: Think Vietnam, Bosnia, Somalia, and now, Iraq.
But Vietnam??????
You should have left the French to clear up their own mess there.
Surely you are not so dim as to think Vietnam a success? mind you the way you defend the Iraq disaster, it shouldn't surprise me.