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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritteri smell a reference to the war in Iraq
Is Europe like an old woman who, with shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house?
http://therealdonjohnson.townhall.com/g/609185bc-db3d-42dc-b27f-f1dfc14917bf?comments=true
and, as an american, I don't delight being referred to as a robber
besides, still speaking metaphorically, what jewelry does Europe have to offer America anyway?
besides, of course, decent rugby teams.
Originally posted by Esotericno, did you not hear Bush's speech a few nights ago?
There has been a significant increase in terrorist attacks on traditionally "safe" countries elsewhere though hasn’t there?
And don't you find it funny that the war on terror is actually starting to make al Qaeda stronger?
Al Queada has gotten weaker, and you know he couldn't lie about the evidence he uses to support that statement...
if he were to lie about it, he'd have been impeached by now, and it's not even been a week.
we're winning this war...
the world just needs some (more) patience
Originally posted by rubberjaw30I don't like being referred to as a robber, but you have to admit, the US has done quite a bit of robbing in it's day. For example, our territory and the fruits of the labor of African slaves.
i smell a reference to the war in Iraq
and, as an american, I don't delight being referred to as a robber
besides, still speaking metaphorically, what jewelry does Europe have to offer America anyway?
besides, of course, decent rugby teams.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungGive it up, won't you? America has also come farther than any other nation in advancing civil rights. Why do so many people from so many diverse backgrounds continue to come here and live out their dreams if it is such a bad place?
I don't like being referred to as a robber, but you have to admit, the US has done quite a bit of robbing in it's day. For example, our territory and the fruits of the labor of African slaves.
Originally posted by HumeAThe stupid people in Germany are the justices and civil rights lawyers who wrote the crappy immigration laws that allowed all the hate-spewing imams and their suicide terrorist wannabees into Germany.
An I suppose that in this analogy, the US is the old woman that clubs her neigbour over the head and steals the jewelery.
The person that posted this article seems to think that because it comes out of europe, it is a sort of vindication of the 'war'. There are stupid people in Germany too, you know.
Originally posted by mdhallThere hasn't been attack on U.S. soil since 9/11. Meanwhile, Britain, Spain, Germany and the other nations of "Old" Europe have bent over backwards to accommodate their Muslim populations and experienced many terrorist attacks as their reward.
...But you really need to ask yourself: what good does this war on terror do anyone? All we are doing is feeding their flames with gun fighting."
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterNice qualifier, but when the US presents its enemies with plenty of citizens/soldiers to kill in their home-towns with less travel, I'm not sure the "attack on US soil" point holds any water.
There hasn't been attack on U.S. soil since 9/11. Meanwhile, Britain, Spain, Germany and the other nations of "Old" Europe have bent over backwards to accommodate their Muslim populations and experienced many terrorist attacks as their reward.
Like I said before, "3,000+ dead soldiers and their families would disagree with your sentiment that the war has decreased attacks against the US".
Originally posted by mdhallSure it does. They're attacking troops who are ready for them and capable of fighting back. That's much better than having our civilians attacked.
Nice qualifier, but when the US presents its enemies with plenty of citizens/soldiers to kill in their home-towns with less travel, I'm not sure the "attack on US soil" point holds any water.
Like I said before, "3,000+ dead soldiers and their families would disagree with your sentiment that the war has decreased attacks against the US".
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterOur power and success is forever tainted. It's just the way it is. We are indeed a great country, but ignoring our mistakes is a very bad idea.
Give it up, won't you? America has also come farther than any other nation in advancing civil rights. Why do so many people from so many diverse backgrounds continue to come here and live out their dreams if it is such a bad place?
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYou don't actually believe that do you?
Give it up, won't you? America has also come farther than any other nation in advancing civil rights.
Women started to get the vote in the UK in 1869. Complete equal voting rights for women in New Zealand in 1893. US gives women the vote in 1920 and in fact only lowered the voting age to 18 in 1971 (though it was both men and women at the time)
Slavery was abolished in Sweden in 1335, Japan in 1588, England in 1772, Chile 1811. US was in 1865 (though some states had done it earlier).
France decriminalizes homesexual acts in 1791, thirteen years after Thomas Jefferson drafts a statute proclaiming the punishment for same should be castration. Poland abolishes it's law against homosexuality in 1932. The State of Arizona repeals it's law in err... 2001.
How about "Free Speech". Magna Carta in England 1215 but if you don't like that one you can go for the rights bill in 1689. 1789 was the Declaration of rights in France. True, the US does quite well on this one being only two years behind France and much of Europe.
Legal drinking ages (the point at which people are deemed to be responsible enough). Belgium 16, UK 16 (in restaurants), Russia 18, South Korea 19. The US err 21.
Two countries don't preclude the execution of those under eighteen. Iran and the US.
etc etc.
The US had a lot to be proud of but civil liberties isn't one of them.
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Originally posted by Wheelythirteen years after Thomas Jefferson drafts a statute proclaiming the punishment for same should be castration.
You don't actually believe that do you?
Women started to get the vote in the UK in 1869. Complete equal voting rights for women in New Zealand in 1893. US gives women the vote in 1920 and in fact only lowered the voting age to 18 in 1971 (though it was both men and women at the time)
Slavery was abolished in Sweden in 1335, Japan in 1588, England in 1 S.
etc etc.
The US had a lot to be proud of but civil liberties isn't one of them.
Here's the full text of that proposed legislation, which does not specifically target homosexuals. It's still wrong though.
Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting thro' the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least. - Bill Number 64, authored by Jefferson and "Reported by the Committee of Advisors, 18 June 1779"
It's also relevant that this legislation was an attempt to remove the death penalty as a punishment for those crimes.
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungNo, it doesn't specifically target homosexuals. It targets a few things with Sodomy being one of them. Point is, it wasn't a piece of legislation that one would hold up as an example of the direction civil liberties should take even if you take into account your point of it being an attempt to remove the death penalty for them.
[b] thirteen years after Thomas Jefferson drafts a statute proclaiming the punishment for same should be castration.
Here's the full text of that proposed legislation, which does not specifically target homosexuals. It's still wrong though.
Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a m ...[text shortened]... s legislation was an attempt to remove the death penalty as a punishment for those crimes.[/b]
Originally posted by WheelyNo argument there.
No, it doesn't specifically target homosexuals. It targets a few things with Sodomy being one of them. Point is, it wasn't a piece of legislation that one would hold up as an example of the direction civil liberties should take even if you take into account your point of it being an attempt to remove the death penalty for them.