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Every Senate Impeachment Trial had Witnesses

Every Senate Impeachment Trial had Witnesses

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It's true ........................................... until today apparently:

"Senate has held 15 impeachment trials
The Senate has held just two prior impeachment trials against presidents — Bill Clinton in 1999 and Andrew Johnson in 1868. Both included witnesses.

The Senate heard testimony from 41 witnesses in the Johnson proceeding, and three for Clinton, including Monica Lewinsky. In the Clinton case, House managers obtained depositions from the witnesses and excerpts of that testimony were shown to the Senate, the Washington Post reported.

But those aren’t the only impeachments the Senate has heard. The U.S. Senate website lists 19 people prior to Trump who were impeached by the House, including 14 judges, a senator, a Supreme Court justice and the secretary of war.

Cases against three of the judges were halted before a trial when the judges resigned, and the case against Sen. William Blount in 1799 — the first impeachment in U.S. history — stopped before trial when the Senate determined it didn’t have such jurisdiction over one of its own.

That leaves 13 impeachment trials against other federal officials dating back to 1804. Eight of those yielded a guilty verdict, and five a not-guilty finding.

But all of them involved witnesses, said Noah Bookbinder, executive director of the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.

"I think there was a little bit of a sense — as there often is with things like Senate procedure — that the precedent is ambiguous and can be used however you want it," Bookbinder told PolitiFact Wisconsin. "We found that it’s not ambiguous in this case. … Every Senate impeachment trial that has been completed has involved witnesses."

Lawyers and researchers from the organization dug through Congressional archives and historical records for every impeachment for Bookbinder’s Jan. 9, 2020, op-ed in the Washington Post."

https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2020/jan/21/tammy-baldwin/Trump-every-other-senate-impeachment-had-witnesses/

The People want them.

History supports them.

Moscow Mitch and the Senate Republicans want a coverup to continue.

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@no1marauder
Hillary, Obama, Brennan, Comey, Strzok, McCabe and the rest all told me personally that you don't really care about coverups.

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@no1marauder

And you expected exactly, what? C'mon No1, this was in the bag before it started. Same with Clinton's impeachment.

Somehow I don't think you complained about Clinton's exoneration.

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@earl-of-trumps said
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And you expected exactly, what? C'mon No1, this was in the bag before it started. Same with Clinton's impeachment.

Somehow I don't think you complained about Clinton's exoneration.
Last I checked, there were witnesses at Clinton's trial.

There was a plausible basis for Clinton's acquittal i.e. that his misconduct had nothing to do with his official duties and that it, therefore, wasn't a sufficient basis for removal from office.

Such a rationale is surely lacking in Trump's case. In fact, his actions during the trial add to the obstruction of justice evidence.

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I've discussed this before in here. It is up to the House to decide if a crime rises to the level of an impeachment, not the senate. All the senate can do at that point is vote guilty or innocent.

but you knew that

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@no1marauder said
It's true ........................................... until today apparently:

"Senate has held 15 impeachment trials
The Senate has held just two prior impeachment trials against presidents — Bill Clinton in 1999 and Andrew Johnson in 1868. Both included witnesses.

The Senate heard testimony from 41 witnesses in the Johnson proceeding, and three for Clinton, includ ...[text shortened]... em.

History supports them.

Moscow Mitch and the Senate Republicans want a coverup to continue.
Do your arms get tired?!?? Beating the dead mule? It’s over. How bout other topics.

I have looked at the flat earth homepage, and for the life of me, I do not see a coherent explanation which defeats the ‘round’ features which we know to exist.

Can someone entertain this question?

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@averagejoe1 said
Do your arms get tired?!?? Beating the dead mule? It’s over. How bout other topics.

I have looked at the flat earth homepage, and for the life of me, I do not see a coherent explanation which defeats the ‘round’ features which we know to exist.

Can someone entertain this question?
Funny !!
You believe God created the round features in 7 days !!

You debunking fairy tales !!
Hilarious !! 😆😆😆

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@earl-of-trumps said
@no1marauder

I've discussed this before in here. It is up to the House to decide if a crime rises to the level of an impeachment, not the senate. All the senate can do at that point is vote guilty or innocent.

but you knew that
I don't agree with such an assessment and neither do any legal scholars I know of. At the three Presidential impeachment trials, the defense in each argued that the alleged misconduct did not meet the "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" standard set forth in the Constitution; none accepted your argument that an affirmative House impeachment vote was dispositive of that issue.

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@sleepyguy said
@no1marauder
Hillary, Obama, Brennan, Comey, Strzok, McCabe and the rest all told me personally that you don't really care about coverups.
Hillary, Obama,
😆 😆 😆 More ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome), LOL 😆 😆 😆

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Interesting fact...This is the FIRST partisan impeachment in the history of the US. Comparing to historical occurrences is not realistic.

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@mott-the-hoople said
Interesting fact...This is the FIRST partisan impeachment in the history of the US. Comparing to historical occurrences is not realistic.
No, it isn't. The votes to impeach both Presidents Johnson and Clinton were almost exclusively along party lines.

Perhaps you are inventing a new definition of "partisan".

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@no1marauder said
No, it isn't. The votes to impeach both Presidents Johnson and Clinton were almost exclusively along party lines.

Perhaps you are inventing a new definition of "partisan".
So all impeachment trials are partisan shows?

Interesting

Why should we give a damn about the idiocy then?

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@whodey said
So all impeachment trials are partisan shows?

Interesting

Why should we give a damn about the idiocy then?
I'm sure you don't give a damn about the US Constitution's mechanism for removing officials who act with gross misconduct, so long as those officials share your ideology.

The Framers would have disagreed.

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And another 20 years will pass and then a truly dangerous person will be in the White House and the precedent set by this impeachment vote in the Senate will enable them to wreck our country . Our democracy has a cancer which must be removed at all cost .

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