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@shavixmir
not much. Le Pen is supposed to be this far out rightist but I think she's a moderate, myself.
Of course, this is somewhat of a reflection of the mood of the world, so this is good.
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@Earl-of-Trumps saidYou think the RN is moderate?
@shavixmir
not much. Le Pen is supposed to be this far out rightist but I think she's a moderate, myself.
Of course, this is somewhat of a reflection of the mood of the world, so this is good.
It’s the political party the fascists and skinheads vote for.
Europe has been down this road before, and it does not end well.
@shavixmir saidI wonder if they think that's what woke really means.
The extreme right, fascistic (although they try to distance themselves from their own rhetoric) have won the most votes in the first round of the French elections.
I wonder what our maga crowd think of it.
Hahahaha, oh God, I crack myself up sometimes.
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@Suzianne saidIt’s bad enough that these despicable humans exist, but to have them goosestepping all over the place again…
I wonder if they think that's what woke really means.
Hahahaha, oh God, I crack myself up sometimes.
God damn. They’re like vermin.
And the maga-folks think they’re moderate…
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@shavixmir saidLePen did try to purge her party of the outright racists, but they keep coming back.
The extreme right, fascistic (although they try to distance themselves from their own rhetoric) have won the most votes in the first round of the French elections.
I wonder what our maga crowd think of it.
Bjorn Hoecke of the AfD party was just recently convicted of using Nazi slogans at a political rally, yet his party came a strong second in the EU elections, displacing the moderate SPD party. This is disquieting. The AfD should be declared unconstitutional IMO; Germany has the legal means and the historical precedents to do it, but the politicians are too cowardly to do it. And for the same reason Mitch McConnell was too cowardly to impeach Trump the first chance he had, even though he knew at the time Trump was a loose cannon.
The difficulty I see is that the conservative parties in America, Germany, and France can’t put forward a principled platform of fiscal responsibility without attracting fascists and racists. There is a real failure of leadership in the centrist parties. Germany’s Scholz is about as dynamic as last week’s oatmeal; people are grasping at demagogic images (Trump, Boris Johnson, etc.) because they want change, not status quo. Thing is, they don’t want the kind of change the left are proposing, no matter now necessary it is.
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The candidates polling strongest from the right are those addressing the lack of immigration control.
If a country doesn’t tightly control immigration, both legal and illegal, then there will be a rise in popularity of parties who stand against it. European leaders have been complicit in the largest influx of mass immigration in memory, possibly ever.
The liberal ideological left attitudes to immigration have failed, and now look.
The Green Party in the UK (whom by the way have the most fruit-loopian policies I’ve ever heard in my life) don’t just want open borders…. They want NO borders!
Control your borders or it’s going to get worse and worse and worse.
@divegeester saidRoll back the clock to Ronald Reagan: he made a pact with the Sauds: Reagan would provide CIA money, CIA intelligence, and weapons (specifically stinger ground-to-air missiles to take down helicopter gun ships), if the Sauds would put boots on the ground to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Remember Reagan's 'freedom fighters'? The Mujahadin? Those were the people the Sauds recruited to fight Reagan's proxy war in Afghanistan. Those Mujahadin were Wahabists, the most radical of the radical Muslims, violent jihadists. They were not Afghans, and the Afghans did not like them. After they drove the Soviets out, they did not go back where they came from; they stayed on and ruled Afghanistan with an iron fist. They trained up the second generation of militants, the Taliban, who are also not Afghans. The Afghans don't like the Taliban either. We're still fighting them, and the Afghans are fleeing them. THAT is why so many Afghans are yearning to get to Europe, where it's peaceful (relatively).
The candidates polling strongest from the right are those addressing the lack of immigration control.
If a country doesn’t tightly control immigration, both legal and illegal, then there will be a rise in popularity of parties who stand against it. European leaders have been complicit in the largest influx of mass immigration in memory, possibly ever.
The liberal ...[text shortened]... ers…. They want NO borders!
Control your borders or it’s going to get worse and worse and worse.
I'm not done yet.
Roll back the clock to George W. Bush. That's the younger Bush. He started a war of choice in Iraq to take down Saddam. Guess who propped up Saddam in the first place? Reagan. So, Bush Jr. invades Iraq to take down Saddam, who'd gotten too big for his britches. The immediate and predictable response in the Muslim world was to raise a militia to drive the infidel Americans out of Iraq -- IslamicState, IS, that's who they are, the jihadists who rose up to drive out the infidel occupiers of a Muslim land. There was no IS before Bush invaded Iraq. IS spread across No. Africa (remember Col. Gaddafi? The US took him out, IS replaced him) and then to Syria. We are still fighting IS. There would be no IS if Reagan hadn't propped up Saddam and Bush hadn't invaded Iraq later. The Iraqis and the Syrians and the Libyans don't like IS, they are FLEEING IS to the relative safety of Europe.
There would be no mass migration from No. Africa, Iraq, Syria, or Afghanistan, but for Reagan's and Bush's wars of choice. Blame where blame is due: U.S. foreign policy blunders going back decades have had the consequence of destabilising the Middle East, No. Africa, and now Europe. Although to be fair to Bush Jr., he was too stupid to know what he was doing; Wolfowitz, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were the architects.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidNo they are not.
Any conservative group is called "extremist" by the left.
There religious conservatives, fiscal conservatives, social conservatives… none of which are extremist right-wing or fascist.
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@divegeester saidHow come Labour’s going to squish the tories then?
The candidates polling strongest from the right are those addressing the lack of immigration control.
If a country doesn’t tightly control immigration, both legal and illegal, then there will be a rise in popularity of parties who stand against it. European leaders have been complicit in the largest influx of mass immigration in memory, possibly ever.
The liberal ...[text shortened]... ers…. They want NO borders!
Control your borders or it’s going to get worse and worse and worse.
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@Cliff-Mashburn saidThat's because, post-Trump, most of them are.
Any conservative group is called "extremist" by the left.
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@moonbus saidSure, that might be the cause, but the problem now is not controlling it.
Roll back the clock to Ronald Reagan: he made a pact with the Sauds: Reagan would provide CIA money, CIA intelligence, and weapons (specifically stinger ground-to-air missiles to take down helicopter gun ships), if the Sauds would put boots on the ground to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Remember Reagan's 'freedom fighters'? The Mujahadin? Those were the people the Sau ...[text shortened]... , he was too stupid to know what he was doing; Wolfowitz, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were the architects.
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@shavixmir
Yeah, they think they are moderate because they didn't convert to dictatorship FAST enough, should have happened ten years ago apparently.
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@shavixmir saidBecause the Tories haven’t controlled immigration at all. In fact it’s the most here in the UK than it’s ever been and will get increasingly worse over the next 5 years.
How come Labour’s going to squish the tories then?
It will be labour’s achilies heel and bring them down. Remember I said this now, today, for when you lefties are all bleating at Reform taking over next time around.