Faisal Shahzad: Civilian, or enemy combatant?

zeeblebot

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05 May 10 19:33

zeeblebot

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05 May 10 19:33

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/05/administration-faces-criticism-mirandizing-times-square-suspect/

Updated May 05, 2010
Administration Faces Criticism for Mirandizing Times Square Suspect

zeeblebot

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05 May 10 19:34

i vote enemy combatant.

zeeblebot

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05 May 10 19:35

is holder nuts, unfamiliar, too steeped in civilian jurisprudence, or spot on?

generalissimo

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05 May 10 19:35

Originally posted by zeeblebot
i vote enemy combatant.

he's a civilian, considering he is a US citizen not some guy from the middle-east who went to the US specifically to commit acts of terrorism.

KazetNagorra

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05 May 10 19:42

Originally posted by zeeblebot
i vote enemy combatant.

A vote for tyranny, once again.

Melanerpes

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05 May 10 20:01

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Originally posted by generalissimo
he's a civilian, considering he is a US citizen not some guy from the middle-east who went to the US specifically to commit acts of terrorism.

So if Al-Qaeda was to recruit a whole bunch of US citizens to create malicious mayhem, those people would be any different from anyone else Al-Qaeda recruited?

zeeblebot

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05 May 10 20:05

military actions should invoke military rules and military punishments.

for timothy mcveigh, too.

Melanerpes

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05 May 10 21:25

Originally posted by zeeblebot
military actions should invoke military rules and military punishments.

for timothy mcveigh, too.

why not use military rules for everyone?

zeeblebot

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05 May 10 22:35

why not?

Melanerpes

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05 May 10 22:58

It might give government a lot of additional power - conservatives might not like it very much.

zeeblebot

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06 May 10 04:06

i didn't think conservatives were typically worried much of the rights of criminals. more the opposite.

shavixmir

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06 May 10 05:30

There's no such thing as an enemy combatant.
He's a civilian criminal.

misterrigel

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06 May 10 06:26

"Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn, said as far as he's concerned, Shahzad lost his entitlement to Miranda Rights when he was arrested on terrorism charges"

yikes.

Thank God Obama has a little more sense.

Barts

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06 May 10 08:03

Originally posted by zeeblebot
i didn't think conservatives were typically worried much of the rights of criminals. more the opposite.

The question is, are conservatives worried about the rights of the accused ? Though this group overlaps with the criminals, they are very much different and should be treated differently. Apparently you don't have to think about the difference when you're accused of terrorism.

Barts

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06 May 10 08:06

Originally posted by misterrigel
"Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn, said as far as he's concerned, Shahzad lost his entitlement to Miranda Rights when he was arrested on terrorism charges"

yikes.

Thank God Obama has a little more sense.

Yup, this is one of the most scary things about the war on Terror. Innocent until proven guilty, one of the cornerstones of any decent system of laws, is apparently unnecessary when we're talking about terrorism.