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04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @no1marauderLOL...so Trump can demand Meuller turn over all files of his investigation?
You are wrong, AGAIN. The President decides what is classified or not and he has access to whatever information the Executive Branch Departments have because, you know, he's the head of the Executive Department. From the White House Counsel's cover letter to the Nunes' memo:
As the Supreme Court has recognized, it is the President's responsibility to ...[text shortened]... 1988)
http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180129/106822/HMTG-115-IG00-20180129-SD001.pdf
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @mott-the-hoopleThat's an interesting question. I think the answer is "yes" though it would be politically suicidal.
LOL...so Trump can demand Meuller turn over all files of his investigation?
Theoretically,
Trump could invoke Article II to bypass or invalidate the Justice Department regulations and the Mueller appointment order to fire Mueller and shut down the parts of the investigation he does not like. This takes us to contested constitutional issues that are hard to explain without much more space. Suffice it to say that while Trump might be able to do some of this lawfully, it would be enormously controversial, legally and politically. I doubt he could find subordinates willing to execute the order, and if he did, he would be committing political suicide.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/president-cant-kill-mueller-investigation
The Constitutional powers the President has over Executive Branch employees in term of what they do is pretty broad. The remedy for when he abuses such powers is impeachment.
Originally posted by @no1marauderBut the GOP rallied to stop Trump. They hate him as much as the Dims.
Of course it isn't. And your almost year old article is ranting about the non-existent wiretapping of Trump that Obama didn't order and has nothing to do with the present brouhaha about the FISA warrant obtained against Carter Page. Do you really want the government to have no power to use surveillance against suspected agents of a foreign power?
Of ...[text shortened]... s://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/115-2018/s12
So whodey should be screaming at Republicans.
The article pointed out that FISA warrants are easy to obtain and easy to continue, with next to no probable cause needed. It also points out that these warrants are to go after suspected foreign agents, and not the President of the United States.
The vitriol against Trump within the ranks of the FBI and DOJ are well documented. One of the FBI agents even tweeted that he was the insurance policy to insure that Trump does not ruin the country. The dossier that began the investigation was proven to have originated with the political opponents of Trump, so to suggest that politics does not play a part in all this is blatantly absurd.
So for those who say that the evidence is there to warrant a warrant, which a FISA warrant does not need apparently, what is it? Is it that foreign powers hacked into Hillary's private server and made them public the evidence Trump is guilty?
Originally posted by @mchillOh, we will hear from them as they all will pretty much gang up on Trump cuz every lawyer I know hates Trump. They are all left wing nut jobs. Their lobby groups traditionally only support Dims.
I would prefer to hear from sh76 or no1marauder on FISA. Call me crazy if you wish, but I tend to depend on attorneys for legal advice, just like I tend to depend on doctors for medical advice, engineers for engineering advice, jewelers for jewelry advice etc. It's a silly habit I picked up awhile back. 🙂
Yes, lawyers will explain such things to you as why prostitution is illegal and porn is legal, or explain why it is OK to write Executive Orders that violate Federal laws, etc., but I just assume stick my head in a fan rather than listen to them defend the indefensible.
Just look at what lawyers have done to this country. Perhaps that is part of their hatred of Trump. How dare he break the ranks of lawyers who have had a monopoly on high ranking government positions. A bigger problem for them though is that the bar has been set so low among previous Presidents that all Trump has to do is not start a war and improve the economy and he will have become the best President in the last 100 years.
Originally posted by @whodeyAgain a post filled with so many lies, it's almost impossible to respond to.
But the GOP rallied to stop Trump. They hate him as much as the Dims.
The article pointed out that FISA warrants are easy to obtain and easy to continue, with next to no probable cause needed. It also points out that these warrants are to go after suspected foreign agents, and not the President of the United States.
The vitriol against Trump within t ...[text shortened]... n powers hacked into Hillary's private server and made them public the evidence Trump is guilty?
A) Probable cause is needed for an FISA warrant;
B) No warrant was issued against Trump;
C) No, the FBI agent (that's one FBI agent BTW) did not say he was an insurance policy to insure that Trump didn't ruin the country;
D) The Nunes' memo itself concedes the dossier did not start the investigation;
E) I've already spelled out the publicly know info that would have justified the Carter Page FISA warrant and that's quite besides any classified info that may have been used;
F) There is zero evidence that foreign powers hacked into HRC's server.
Originally posted by @whodeyNobody but a complete idiot would think that Trump "is the best President in the last 100 years".
Oh, we will hear from them as they all will pretty much gang up on Trump cuz every lawyer I know hates Trump. They are all left wing nut jobs. Their lobby groups traditionally only support Dims.
Yes, lawyers will explain such things to you as why prostitution is illegal and porn is legal, or explain why it is OK to write Executive Orders that violate Fe ...[text shortened]... a war and improve the economy and he will have become the best President in the last 100 years.
Trump has probably hired more lawyers over the years than anybody; he's well-known for filing lawsuits of his own and breaking contracts so that people have to sue him. He's also kept a few bankruptcy lawyers busy.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @no1marauderHe's certainly not going to be nominated for 'Mr. Congeniality' when it comes time to renew the lease.
Nobody but a complete idiot would think that Trump "is the best President in the last 100 years".
Trump has probably hired more lawyers over the years than anybody; he's well-known for filing lawsuits of his own and breaking contracts so that people have to sue him. He's also kept a few bankruptcy lawyers busy.
Originally posted by @no1marauderA) As the article pointed out, FISA warrants are easy to obtain and continue compared to other warrants, which makes them ideal to use when you have little to go on.
Again a post filled with so many lies, it's almost impossible to respond to.
A) Probable cause is needed for an FISA warrant;
B) No warrant was issued against Trump;
C) No, the FBI agent (that's one FBI agent BTW) did not say he was an insurance policy to insure that Trump didn't ruin the country;
D) The Nunes' memo itself concedes the dossier did ...[text shortened]... hat may have been used;
F) There is zero evidence that foreign powers hacked into HRC's server.
B) Which makes the Trump witch hunt that much more absurd
C) From TownHall:
Piggybacking off of Katie and Cortney on these texts between FBI agent Peter Strzok and bureau lawyer Lisa Page. Strzok was on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, but was removed by Mueller in August once he found out about the texts; Page had already moved on from the Mueller assignment. Page is the woman with home Strzok was having an extramarital affair. The texts are filled with Hillary praising and Trump bashing. At one point, Page says that Trump should go f*** himself, and that he’s a “loathsome human.” That’s one of 10,000 text messages shared between these two FBI employees. Yet, in more cryptic texts, Strzok mentions an insurance policy against this presidency (via Daily Caller):
Two FBI officials who worked on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation exchanged text messages last year in which they appear to have discussed ways to prevent Donald Trump from being elected president.
“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way [Trump] gets elected — but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk,” FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok wrote in a cryptic text message to Lisa Page, an FBI lawyer and his mistress.
“It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40,” Strzok wrote in the text, dated Aug. 15, 2016.
Andy is likely Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe.
Well, the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into Russian interference began in July of 2016. It’s possible that’s what they were referring to, but overall—it’s still quite unsettling to see members of our nation’s preeminent law enforcement and intelligence agencies thinking of ways to screw over the next president of the United States simply because they don’t like him or her. If that’s the case, as I’ve always said for those in government work, resign and move on. We’ll keep you updated on any other nuggets that may come from these text messages.
D) It's really hard to say for sure where it all started. What is known is that the dossier is full of lies.
F) Comey himself said that it is very possible that foreign powers hacked into HRC's server. That is a lie.
From the Washington Examiner
The FBI doesn't expect to know whether Hillary Clinton's private server was ever hacked by a foreign government, Director James Comey told Congress on Thursday.
"We don't have direct evidence the server was successfully hacked. We wouldn't expect to see, though, that evidence from sophisticated adversaries given the nature of the adversary and given the nature of the system," Comey told a panel of the House Homeland Security Committee.
His remarks came in response to a question from committee Chairman Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, about the potential damage caused by the loss of classified information from Clinton's server. In a press conference last week, Comey noted Clinton had used personal email "extensively" when working outside the country, and said it was "possible" hostile actors had gained access to it.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @no1marauderAnd only a complete idiot would think someone like Obama or W was better after starting wars abroad and creating and nurturing the monster ISIS while not being able to generate any economic growth.
Nobody but a complete idiot would think that Trump "is the best President in the last 100 years".
Trump has probably hired more lawyers over the years than anybody; he's well-known for filing lawsuits of his own and breaking contracts so that people have to sue him. He's also kept a few bankruptcy lawyers busy.
04 Feb 18
It has already been proven that under the Obama administration Federal agencies were used to target American citizens who where political opponents of Obama. This was done with the successful litigation of law suits against the IRS by both conservatives and American Jews who supported Zionists.
Now all that needs to be done is show that the FBI and DOJ were used in similar fashion.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @whodeyAs already pointed out, those lawsuits were only "successful" because the Jeff Sessions DOJ was willing to settle them for political reasons.
It has already been proven that under the Obama administration Federal agencies were used to target American citizens who where political opponents of Obama. This was done with the successful litigation of law suits against the IRS by both conservatives and American Jews who supported Zionists.
Now all that needs to be done is show that the FBI and DOJ were used in similar fashion.
Good luck with the rest.
04 Feb 18
Originally posted by @whodeyA-B aren't worth responding to; you essentially conceded my point.
A) As the article pointed out, FISA warrants are easy to obtain and continue compared to other warrants, which makes them ideal to use when you have little to go on.
B) Which makes the Trump witch hunt that much more absurd
C) From TownHall:
Piggybacking off of Katie and Cortney on these texts between FBI agent Peter Strzok and bureau lawyer Lisa Pag ...[text shortened]... working outside the country, and said it was "possible" hostile actors had gained access to it.
C is just another example of your rabid right wing sites tearing an innocent remark out of all context.https://www.lawfareblog.com/peter-strzoks-insurance-policy
D) It's really hard; except the Nunes' memo says directly that the counterintelligence probe started because of the "The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok. " As far as the dossier, it's raw intelligence and some could very well be mistaken but there's nothing showing it is "full of lies" and much of it has been verified.
F) Just verifies what I said; "possible" is not evidence.
Originally posted by @no1marauderSo the DOJ is a political tool or only under a GOP President?
As already pointed out, those lawsuits were only "successful" because the Jeff Sessions DOJ was willing to settle them for political reasons.
Good luck with the rest.