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    01 May '12 21:21
    Originally posted by whodey
    So how many people here don't think that the Obama administration knew about the historical use of the word "Forward!" in political discourse before it they adopted it as their own?
    Might be that they didn't know. Might be that they knew and thought only paranoid lunatics would actually conclude from this that Obama is somehow a closet Marxist.
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    01 May '12 21:22
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    I still don't think his campaign chose "Forward" because of any potential socialist implications.

    But humoring you... say he did. Exactly how many Americans do you think understand that association?
    Perhaps quite innocently, and overcome by a wave of patriotism, he is borrowing the U.S cavalry command but felt that the word 'Ho' might be misconstrued by the man hating feminist left?
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    01 May '12 21:22
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Might be that they didn't know. Might be that they knew and thought only paranoid lunatics would actually conclude from this that Obama is somehow a closet Marxist.
    It's more likely they were forced to do so by their One World socialist masters at the UN.
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    01 May '12 23:031 edit
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    I still don't think his campaign chose "Forward" because of any potential socialist implications.

    But humoring you... say he did. Exactly how many Americans do you think understand that association?
    I in no way mean to say that Obama embraces communism or Marxism in its entirety. What I am saying are that his supporters are "collectivists" in similar spirit and many probably closet socialists/communists. As a result, it would behoove him to send a message to them many will probably pick up on and exite, and as an added bonus ridicule those on the right for being paranoid in picking up on it as well as he sits back and laughs at them.

    What can I say, it's a win/win scenerio.
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    01 May '12 23:221 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    I in no way mean to say that Obama embraces communism or Marxism in its entirety. What I am saying are that his supporters are "collectivists" in similar spirit and many probably closet socialists/communists. As a result, it would behoove him to send a message to them many will probably pick up on and exite, and as an added bonus ridicule those on the right ...[text shortened]... on it as well as he sits back and laughs at them.

    What can I say, it's a win/win scenerio.
    Obama got 53% of the vote in 2008. What percentage of the American people do you think are communist/socialists?

    Has it occurred to you that the reason why people laugh at extreme right wing conspiracy theories of this sort is that they are totally idiotic and ridiculous? If it hasn't, you should re-evaluate.
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    01 May '12 23:33
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Obama got 53% of the vote in 2008. What percentage of the American people do you think are communist/socialists?

    Has it occurred to you that the reason why people laugh at extreme right wing conspiracy theories of this sort is that they are totally idiotic and ridiculous? If it hasn't, you should re-evaluate.
    What I mean is the movement towards collectivism or more power to the state. Communism/socialism are but primevil beginnings of this movement and hearkening back to what started it all is a type of battle cry.
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    01 May '12 23:41
    Originally posted by whodey
    What I mean is the movement towards collectivism or more power to the state. Communism/socialism are but primevil beginnings of this movement and hearkening back to what started it all is a type of battle cry.
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    02 May '12 00:16
    Originally posted by no1marauder
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    02 May '12 00:231 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    I in no way mean to say that Obama embraces communism or Marxism in its entirety. What I am saying are that his supporters are "collectivists" in similar spirit and many probably closet socialists/communists. As a result, it would behoove him to send a message to them many will probably pick up on and exite, and as an added bonus ridicule those on the right ...[text shortened]... on it as well as he sits back and laughs at them.

    What can I say, it's a win/win scenerio.
    Whodey, I don't even know where to begin.

    You're saying that the Democratic party is largely full of "closet socialists/communists" who collectively know and support the historical implications of a single word as a political slogan? (I assume this is a fair paraphrase of what you're saying, seeing as I doubt many of the centrists/independents who support Obama and comprise the rest of the majority who voted him into office would classify themselves as leaning that far to the left.)

    And you really don't think you're overreaching with your conclusions?

    Seriously... read the link I posted on the previous page. That analysis makes a lot more sense to me, as an actual Obama supporter.
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    02 May '12 00:581 edit
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    Whodey, I don't even know where to begin.

    You're saying that the Democratic party is largely full of "closet socialists/communists" who collectively know [b]and
    support the historical implications of a single word as a political slogan? (I assume this is a fair paraphrase of what you're saying, seeing as I doubt many of the centrists/independents previous page. That analysis makes a lot more sense to me, as an actual Obama supporter.[/b]
    I think that the overall collectivist spirit is what Marx shares with the left today by in large. Today his ideology has evolved and modified on many levels but it still thrives. Just read my thread on Marx to understand better.
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    02 May '12 01:07
    Originally posted by whodey
    I think that the overall collectivist spirit is what Marx shares with the left today by in large. Today his ideology has evolved and modified on many levels but it still thrives. Just read my thread on Marx to understand better.
    You didn't address my point.

    Do you really think that, contained within the Obama campaign's choice to use "Forward" as a campaign slogan, there is a vast conspiracy to appease the supposed overwhelming "socialist/communist/collectivist" majority of the Democratic party using a veiled rhetorical allusion to other "socialist/communist/collectivist" movements?
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    02 May '12 01:101 edit
    Why don't I post the text from my link for your convenience...

    ___

    During the White House Correspondents' Dinner on Saturday night, Jimmy Kimmel made a joke that President Obama laughed at, but that you could see was just killing him inside.

    "Mr. President, do you remember when the country rallied around you in hopes of a better tomorrow?" Kimmel asked. "That was hilarious. That was your best one yet."

    Yeah it was.

    I'm sure he still has a lot of hope. But I would dare to say the thing that changed most over these past three years is Obama. The unbridled optimism that his first campaign once embodied has been bludgeoned by dogmatism, pragmatism and bipartisan cronyism.

    Hope and change are tough when the worst economy in 80 years is waiting to greet you at the door.

    Hope and change are challenging when Rush Limbaugh, the unofficial gatekeeper of the conservative movement, tells his troops "I hope Obama fails" before your first day on the job.

    Hope and change are virtually impossible when working with a Congress so dysfunctional that its approval rating never reached 25% in all of 2011 and was as low as 10% in February.

    No wonder his hair is a bit grayer these days.

    And no wonder the new Obama slogan is "Forward."

    "Hope and Change" captured the heart of a people who believed one man could change the culture of Washington. "Forward" acknowledges things are not where he said they would be, but takes ownership of a record that shows he at least has us pointed in the right direction: 12 consecutive months of job losses before he took office, 25 consecutive months and counting of job growth since 2010.

    It's not as sexy, but at least it's honest.

    After all, Guantanamo Bay is still open.

    Unemployment is still above 8%.

    Housing prices are still low.

    This is why probably why Mitt Romney felt comfortable enough to send out this tweet: "The promises that candidate Obama made are very different than what President Obama delivered."

    Embedded in the tweet was a video, showing Obama in 2008 promising to go through the federal budget line by line to cut fat, and then fast forwarding to today with stats about the growing debt and the nearly $1 million wasted on the now infamous GSA conference.

    Had another challenger posted the ad, it would have landed a solid right hook to Obama's re-election bid.

    But it was Romney, so it was more like a boomerang -- an aggressive attack sent out but ultimately coming back to its sender. The last person who should want to start a video rewind contest is Romney, who has enough flip-flops and broken promises captured on film that he could start his own network.

    Nonetheless, while the messenger is a bit shaky, the overall message is not. Obama has indeed fallen short on quite a few of the promises he's made over the years.

    And the campaign slogan "Forward" reflects those shortcomings and challenges: obstructionist Republicans determined to bring him down, self-serving Democrats too scared to pass a budget, and a public so dense that at one point it thought Donald Trump would make a good president.

    But at the end of the day, Obama has only himself to blame for the malaise of disappointment that has draped much of his presidency. A disappointment, mind you, that has less to do with his actual policy than with his inability to reach the ridiculously high bar he set for himself over the years.

    Tweets like Romney's are not necessarily fair -- after all, nothing happens in a vacuum -- but Obama was the one who made all of the promises. He was the one who set the standard. He is the one sitting in his own prison. I doubt he'll ever say it, but I bet if he had a chance to do it all over again, he would underbid rather than overbid his hand.

    Romney will continue to hammer away at what Obama hasn't done -- and he should -- if for no other reason than hoping to distract voters from seeing all of the things Obama has accomplished.

    Like preventing insurance companies from denying people with pre-existing conditions, courtesy of the flawed but helpful Affordable Care Act; overturning "don't ask, don't tell;" appointing two women to the Supreme Court. Getting Osama bin Laden.

    That was one of candidate Obama's promises, you know.

    In 2007 he said he would get bin Laden, even if it meant going into Pakistan. This week marks the one-year anniversary of President Obama delivering on that promise. Funny, for some reason that clip didn't make it into Romney's ad.

    I'm sure it was an oversight.
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    02 May '12 02:38
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    You didn't address my point.

    Do you really think that, contained within the Obama campaign's choice to use "Forward" as a campaign slogan, there is a vast conspiracy to appease the supposed overwhelming "socialist/communist/collectivist" majority of the Democratic party using a veiled rhetorical allusion to other "socialist/communist/collectivist" movements?
    Vast conspiracy? Yes, it is my opinion that ther is a vast conspiracy by the Obama administration to do whatever it takes to get elected. Call me crazy. 🙄
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    02 May '12 02:412 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    Vast conspiracy? Yes, it is my opinion that ther is a vast conspiracy by the Obama administration to do whatever it takes to get elected. Call me crazy. 🙄
    If you want to believe there is a vast conspiracy, then I can't really stop you. I just find it amusing how you perceive that conspiracy manifested itself. Some conspiracies would be more believable than others.

    PS--Still no comment on the article?
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    02 May '12 02:522 edits
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    Why don't I post the text from my link for your convenience...

    ___

    During the White House Correspondents' Dinner on Saturday night, Jimmy Kimmel made a joke that President Obama laughed at, but that you could see was just killing him inside.

    "Mr. President, do you remember when the country rallied around you in hopes of a better tomorrow?" Kimme 't make it into Romney's ad.

    I'm sure it was an oversight.
    All I know is that Obama spent all of his political capital passing Obamacare, which looks like will be overturned by the Supremes all because they were too arrogant to see that it may be unconstitutional, all with the added bonus of having the majority of the American people opposing it. To top it all off, Romeny was the one who did the ground work for him, all Obama did was implement it.

    As for myself, I am sick to death of big government on both sides of the isle. Make no mistake, I am no fan of the GOP. Romney is a perfect representation of who they are.

    And lastly, it makes me uncomfortable placing sooo much emphasis on who is elected president. Most of their popularity is simply dumb luck in regards to things like if the economy is good or the country is attacked etc. Most of what you take credit for or take the blame for is not really even your fault. For the life of me, I still don't know what "W" had to do with the credit crisis, other than being clueless on what to do about it. Then add to the fact that the President over the years has had their power increase exponencially. Now they write Executive Orders that defy federal laws and throw American troops around the world at the drop of a hat with no checks and balances in the system and have the EPA implement cap and trade cause elected officials would not pass it etc. Then the EPA has the gonades to bully and intemidate those in the private sector by saying they will crucify those that get in their way. In fact, investigations into the corruption of the GSA should be enough to throw up a red flag for many with half a brain in terms of the size and scope of government today, but many only want bigger government. Soon I may regret saying all these things with the NDAA being passed.
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