@AThousandYoung
As in almost any topic of discussion, there are multiple different perspectives, and they are not always mutually consistent. I was referring to Great Britain in a geographical context; you are referring to the Britons as a people, historically.
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Derivation of "Great"
The Greco-Egyptian scientist Ptolemy referred to the larger island as great Britain (μεγάλη Βρεττανία megale Brettania) and to Ireland as little Britain (μικρὰ Βρεττανία mikra Brettania) in his work Almagest (147–148 AD).[29] In his later work, Geography (c. 150 AD), he gave the islands the names Alwion, Iwernia, and Mona (the Isle of Man), suggesting these may have been the names of the individual islands not known to him at the time of writing Almagest. The name Albion appears to have fallen out of use sometime after the Roman conquest of Britain, after which Britain became the more commonplace name for the island.
After the Anglo-Saxon period, Britain was used as a historical term only. Geoffrey of Monmouth in his pseudohistorical Historia Regum Britanniae (c. 1136) refers to the island of Great Britain as Britannia major ("Greater Britain" ), to distinguish it from Britannia minor ("Lesser Britain" ), the continental region which approximates to modern Brittany [France] and had been settled in the fifth and sixth centuries by Celtic Briton migrants from Great Britain.
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from Wikipedia, with citations
Lesson: two people can have two differing opinions and both be right. Now there's a topic for @KellyJay to chew on in Spirituality!
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@moonbus saidFirst of all Wikipedia cannot be relied upon. If you trust the citations you should quote the citations directly.
@AThousandYoung
As in almost any topic of discussion, there are multiple different perspectives, and they are not always mutually consistent. I was referring to Great Britain in a geographical context; you are referring to the Britons as a people, historically.
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Derivation of "Great"
The Greco-Egyptian scientist Ptolemy referred to the larger island as great Bri ...[text shortened]... ing opinions and both be right. Now there's a topic for @KellyJay to chew on in Spirituality!
I was referring to both Great Britain and Britain in a geographic context. I even showed you a map of what Britain was in contrast to Great Britain.
Britons are the people indigenous to Britain, just like Anglos are the people indigenous to Angeln, Saxons are indigenous to Saxony, Romans to Rome, Greeks to Greece, Jews to Judah, Arabs to Arabia etc etc etc.
Yes the larger island is Great Britain. I said that repeatedly.
"Little Britain" is not a consistent geographic term used by anybody. It is usually used for Brittany, sometimes for Ireland as you pointed out.
Albion means "white" and refers to the cliffs of Dover. Britain is the land of the Britons. Both refer to roughly the same thing.
The name Albion appears to have fallen out of use sometime after the Roman conquest of Britain, after which Britain became the more commonplace name for the island.
This is a key sentence here. You are aware I assume that Rome never conquered Great Britain because they were stopped approximately where Hadrian built his wall. They conquered Britain, where the Britons lived, not Great Britain, which also included Caledonians/Picts.
after which Britain became the more commonplace name for the island.
That is false. The Romans never referred to Caledonia as Britain. These were two separate places both existing on the island of Great Britain.
Yes I am aware of both the phrases Great Britain and "Little Britain". Neither of them is Britain. The name Britain has been replaced by the Anglocentric "England and Wales".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_and_Wales
During the Roman occupation of Britain, the area of present-day England and Wales was administered as a single unit, except for the land to the north of Hadrian's Wall – though the Roman-occupied area varied in extent, and for a time extended to the Antonine/Severan Wall (situated entirely in modern-day Scotland). It is thought that at that time most of the native inhabitants of Roman Britain spoke Brythonic languages, but they were all regarded as Britons, divided into numerous tribes. After the conquest, the Romans administered this region as a single unit, the province of Britain.
The red part in the following map is Britain proper, which got its name from the indigenous Brythonic people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittonic_languages#/media/File:Map_Gaels_Brythons_Picts.png
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The land that became Brittany had it's own indigenous Armorican tribes such as the Veneti who were conquered by Romans and replaced with Britons.
There is no ethnicity called the "Albions". The people of Albion were the Britons. Albion is just a description of what the island looks like from the "English" Channel i.e. it looks white, like a albino.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidA truly great leader wouldn't keep asking for medals either.
A truly great country wouldn't feel it necessary to constantly self project greatness.
Ghost of a Duke
Great Britain.
@AThousandYoung saidSo, you agree that the greatness of Great Britain refers to the geographical size of the region in relation to some other region. Just as I said.
First of all Wikipedia cannot be relied upon. If you trust the citations you should quote the citations directly.
I was referring to both Great Britain and Britain in a geographic context. I even showed you a map of what Britain was in contrast to Great Britain.
Britons are the people indigenous to Britain, just like Anglos are the people indigenous to Angeln ...[text shortened]... eople:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittonic_languages#/media/File:Map_Gaels_Brythons_Picts.png
I could have linked to Encyclopaedia Britannica, but no one here wants to read a page behind a paywall.
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidOK, see if you can top this phrase with your UKBRITAINWALESSCOTLANDENGLAND confused mess. Who's on first, as the joke goes.
According to findings recently published by the Pew Research Centre, a survey of individuals from 36 countries revealed that 57% of respondents had an unfavourable view of the United States and 37% a favourable one. The survey found that 50% of those polled believed the United States was no longer a reliable partner to other countries.
“The share of the public who ...[text shortened]... been bad for the United States, at least according to how the 36 nations polled view the situation.
THE USA can, and has, accomplish absolutely anything that it wants to do. We are extremely great, no question, laughed our way around the moon, landed on it for a time, going back, got Mars Program working in the background.
We are unbridled. Bold, Ambition. So what aspect of our culture is good: Americans honor excellence, We admire boldness. . We are nation of dreamers and believers, warrior and explorers, doers and fighters, and in every human endeavor Americans see an unfinished competition where the strong could be made strong stronger, fast faster, but what is great can be greater than ever before and that's what's happening with America.
Show us a mountain and we'll climb it... show us an ocean will cross it. Show us a problem. we will solve it. Show us a task the world calls impossible... Americans will get it done.
Shout us down all you want. How bout Monticello is on stolen land!!!!!! So is Scotland.
Our mistakes make us human. Our achievements make us Americans.
Who invented your smart phone? Who invented about everything. A/C.. Nascar, rodeo,,,,,,doo you khow we have won more olympic medals and Nobel prizes?
Maybe I'll write a book.
Time for tea.
@AverageJoe1 saidWell, you lost in the football.
THE USA can, and has, accomplish absolutely anything that it wants to do.
@moonbus saidThere's no paywall for me and the only Britain entry is "Britain (ancient and early medieval)" which is what I've been talking about.
So, you agree that the greatness of Great Britain refers to the geographical size of the region in relation to some other region. Just as I said.
I could have linked to Encyclopaedia Britannica, but no one here wants to read a page behind a paywall.
https://www.britannica.com/search?query=britain
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidMaybe America is like me,,,,,right only 96% of the time.
Well, you lost in the football.
Why do you teabags 'flop' so much in soccer (on a HUGE field , TWENTY TWO PLAYERS, and little scoring).
Flopping is a real turn off for Americans, we are not stupid. Granted we have BBall players or whatever who on occasion will prob try to draw a call, but yours are constant. I can see while we like our football so much better.
And you do not have a good path to going pro. When a good soccer player turns 15, he has to go to Germany (ugh) to train. We go high school, college and then go Pro. So simple. Germany!!?!?!?!?!?!? Geez.
@AverageJoe1 saidComplete gibberish.
Maybe America is like me,,,,,right only 96% of the time.
Why do you teabags 'flop' so much in soccer (on a HUGE field , TWENTY TWO PLAYERS, and little scoring).
Flopping is a real turn off for Americans, we are not stupid. Granted we have BBall players or whatever who on occasion will prob try to draw a call, but yours are constant. I can see while we like our foot ...[text shortened]... ) to train. We go high school, college and then go Pro. So simple. Germany!!?!?!?!?!?!? Geez.
How do you think American football compares to rugby? - Why all the girlie padding?
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidAArrggghhhh. You got me there. I guess so we can live to play another day. And we are more into our teeth, that they will live to chew anther day. You have proven that dental protection is optional!
Complete gibberish.
How do you think American football compares to rugby? - Why all the girlie padding?
But comparing sports, you are tougher. However comparing players, we are RICHER!! Your top guy makes about 900pounds annually.. Yuk. Google the millions our guys make. Mind boggling.
And look up how our betting organizations are make so many millions by the sport providing our country with this opportunity. My bro make $2000 sitting iin bedroom last year.
@AverageJoe1 saidYour brother is getting paid and providing nothing to the economy. The upper class in a nutshell.
AArrggghhhh. You got me there. I guess so we can live to play another day. And we are more into our teeth, that they will live to chew anther day. You have proven that dental protection is optional!
But comparing sports, you are tougher. However comparing players, we are RICHER!! Your top guy makes about 900pounds annually.. Yuk. Google the millions our gu ...[text shortened]... sport providing our country with this opportunity. My bro make $2000 sitting iin bedroom last year.
@AThousandYoung saidThis one demeans betting. It thus follows that it should be ended, as no one in Las Vegas is working while sitting in a really comfortable chair at a Slot Machine while being handed a Margarita by a comely waitress who is working for tips. Send her home and close the casino. No one works!
Your brother is getting paid and providing nothing to the economy. The upper class in a nutshell.
Send us another one Thousand. You keep the Forum just a'churnin.