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Recently I've been toying with this idea: freedom loses its meaning when you yourself gain extra freedom by taking it away from someone else. (Pretty obvious really because you would be infringing on other people's freedoms).

Therefore, (my conclusion) the only reasonable way to develop freedom is by giving everyone equal oppurtunity.

Now this has got me thinking even more, if you come from a poor background you are more likely to go to worse school, that isn't as well funded/equipped as ones from richer areas.
This undermines your ability to be educated as well as you could be, and this undermines your career oppurtunites available to you later in life (especially considering how more difficult it is to learn things as an adult).
The reverse is of course true, those from richer backgrounds get educated better and therefore will be able to get better jobs.
(There are other factors of course like sex, colour, etc, these can also be dicussed)

This therefore undermines the meaning of freedom, equal oppurtunity is damaged.
I think this idea can work on many levels.


So what do you think? Does this sound logical to you, or not?

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Originally posted by Bad wolf
Recently I've been toying with this idea: freedom loses its meaning when you yourself gain extra freedom by taking it away from someone else. (Pretty obvious really because you would be infringing on other people's freedoms).

Therefore, (my conclusion) the only reasonable way to develop freedom is by giving everyone equal oppurtunity.

Now this has got ...[text shortened]... a can work on many levels.


So what do you think? Does this sound logical to you, or not?
equal opportunity can not exist. we are born unequally, some have higher iqs than others from the get go

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Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
equal opportunity can not exist. we are born unequally, some have higher iqs than others from the get go
My idea of equal oppurtunity is based on people being given the same resources (i.e. education) to work with initially; those who are better will do better in the system, but they won't do better because they have being given more resources from the start, merely they have been able to use what they have being given (again eduation) more effectively.

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Originally posted by Bad wolf
My idea of equal oppurtunity is based on people being given the same resources (i.e. education) to work with initially; those who are better will do better in the system, but they won't do better because they have being given more resources from the start, merely they have been able to use what they have being given (again eduation) more effectively.
that can not exist either, the best thing you can do is give your kids the best chance

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Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
that can not exist either, the best thing you can do is give your kids the best chance
Why?

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Originally posted by Bad wolf
Why?
there is billions of people on this world, they will never be equal

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Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
there is billions of people on this world, they will never be equal
When I was considering it, I was considering countries, not the world as a whole.

Edit: regardless though, why? Are you so pessimistic that you can't imagine this sometime in the future?

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Originally posted by Bad wolf
When I was considering it, I was considering countries, not the world as a whole.
millions then

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Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
millions then
Don't you believe in freedom then?
You seem to have given up on it so quickly.

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Originally posted by Bad wolf
Don't you believe in freedom then?
You seem to have given up on it so quickly.
i dont feel free, you have to earn it. it comes with the money, so do cars, items and women etc. make some money then be free lol

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Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
i dont feel free, you have to earn it. it comes with the money, so do cars, items and women etc. make some money then be free lol
Freedom is meaningless unless everyone has it.

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Originally posted by Bad wolf
Freedom is meaningless unless everyone has it.
that sounds like the "ideal world" but this is reality

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Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
that sounds like the "ideal world" but this is reality
Where freedom doesn't and cannot exist?

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Originally posted by Bad wolf
Recently I've been toying with this idea: freedom loses its meaning when you yourself gain extra freedom by taking it away from someone else. (Pretty obvious really because you would be infringing on other people's freedoms).

Therefore, (my conclusion) the only reasonable way to develop freedom is by giving everyone equal oppurtunity.

Now this has got ...[text shortened]... a can work on many levels.


So what do you think? Does this sound logical to you, or not?
You see the light!
100% inheritance tax is the only way to get equal opportunities.

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Originally posted by Bad wolf
Where freedom doesn't and cannot exist?
depends, freedom to me is the freedom to do w/e i want. it doesnt exist

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