Originally posted by Wajomahttp://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/features/altscenario/
I want to see some black and white conclusive numbers on exactly how my actions have endangered or harmed your life.
Forgot the bold letters;
I want to see some black and white conclusive numbers on exactly how [b]MY actions have endangered or harmed your life.[/b]
There you are. Political will, my good man.
Originally posted by twiceaknightcheck your facts before you believe things you read on the net. That article states that the sun is getting hotter according to the Max-Planck institute in Germany, and is therefore a cause of the recent global warming effects. However, if you look at the institute's website they believe no such thing. In fact, they seem to think that the sun goes through 11 year periods of variable brightness, and has as far back as they have measured. This would help to explain previous fluctuations in the earths average temperature, but would not explain the current global warming situation.
Not at all. Stars often get hotter as they age.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wsun18.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/18/ixnewstop.html
http://www.mps.mpg.de/projects/sun-climate/
Originally posted by whiteroseThis has been long known that there are 11 year sun spot cycles.
check your facts before you believe things you read on the net. That article states that the sun is getting hotter according to the Max-Planck institute in Germany, and is therefore a cause of the recent global warming effects. However, if you look at the institute's website they believe no such thing. In fact, they seem to think that the sun goes through ...[text shortened]... explain the current global warming situation.
http://www.mps.mpg.de/projects/sun-climate/
Originally posted by whiteroseI agree.
maybe people just refuse to believe in global warming because it would mean a moral obbligation to change their lifestyles?
Many say things like "it'll harm business". News for these guys - it'll promote business. It may not be business as it is now, it'll be different. People are afraid of change, and I'm one. However, the change I'm scared of is climate change, not the changes in business practices required to prevent it.
Originally posted by scottishinnzBut the change has to come from somewhere. Usually a business changes to accomodate its customers or because it is forced to by law. So if people don't believe in global warming then they will not promote business change or elect the polititions who will change the laws. Perhaps, if it really will promote business, it would be best to stop argueing global warming from a scientific perspective and start trying to convince people that making the necesary changes would be good for business in its own rite, whether or not global warming exists.
I agree.
Many say things like "it'll harm business". News for these guys - it'll promote business. It may not be business as it is now, it'll be different. People are afraid of change, and I'm one. However, the change I'm scared of is climate change, not the changes in business practices required to prevent it.
Originally posted by whiteroseI believe in global warming. I just don't understand why everyone is so keen to jump to conclusions as to the cause. I'm not saying pollution is not causing it, it may well be causing it, but surely we should consider all possibilities before we allow governments to tax everything.
maybe people just refuse to believe in global warming because it would mean a moral obbligation to change their lifestyles?
Other planets are getting hotter too, (ok, this was also info from the internet) and proper science seeks to prove it's theories wrong before accepting them. There isn't much falsification going on around here. If we believe pollution is the cause, we should try to disprove this, and if we can't, we should accept it and change our lifestyles. That's how real science works. Only scientist employed by commercial companies to prove a point about a product, or egotistical scientists who want to be famous do it the other way around.
There are other possible explanations for global warming. Why not explore those possibilities? It's as if everyone wants to believe it's from pollution. Maybe because it gives them a feeling of control. Perhaps we don't have any.
If it turns out that pollution is the main cause I would be more than happy to change my lifestyle. I don't drive a car or fly anyway.
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Originally posted by whiteroseNo. Your link clearly says it is a matter of current research. Precisely my point.
check your facts before you believe things you read on the net. That article states that the sun is getting hotter according to the Max-Planck institute in Germany, and is therefore a cause of the recent global warming effects. However, if you look at the institute's website they believe no such thing. In fact, they seem to think that the sun goes through ...[text shortened]... explain the current global warming situation.
http://www.mps.mpg.de/projects/sun-climate/
Originally posted by twiceaknightIf you don't drive or fly a car then you're probably doing better than most people in the western world already. The problem with your arguement is that if polution is the cause of global warming, people need to change their lifestyles NOW. If we wait aroun to prove absolutely that it is, which we can never do anyway because it is a scientific theory, it will be too late to do anything about it. BAsed on current scientific evidence, polution is the most likely cause of global warming, so unless there is some great harm in changing our lifestyles to minimise polution it seems the logical thing to do.
I believe in global warming. I just don't understand why everyone is so keen to jump to conclusions as to the cause. I'm not saying pollution is not causing it, it may well be causing it, but surely we should consider all possibilities before we allow governments to tax everything.
Other planets are getting hotter too, (ok, this was also info from t ...[text shortened]... I would be more than happy to change my lifestyle. I don't drive a car or fly anyway.
Originally posted by twiceaknightThe science is very sound. There is no controversy as to the cause or threat of global in the scientific community, mainly that is the vice of the media and big business. If you look at the EPICA or Vostoc ice core data you'll see an almost perfect correlation between atmospheric CO2 and temperature; thus, pumping CO2 into the atmosphere cannot be good - especially when we know that CO2 absorbs IR radiation (it's the basis of the photosynthesis measurements I'm taking right now).
I believe in global warming. I just don't understand why everyone is so keen to jump to conclusions as to the cause. I'm not saying pollution is not causing it, it may well be causing it, but surely we should consider all possibilities before we allow governments to tax everything.
Other planets are getting hotter too, (ok, this was also info from t ...[text shortened]... I would be more than happy to change my lifestyle. I don't drive a car or fly anyway.