12 Oct 06
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterI'm just curious. What have you got to gain by denying man's contribution to global warming and in so doing, preventing any action which, at worst, can't do any harm?
Here it is – global warming alarmists are now calling for skeptics to be tried for war crimes, Nuremburg-style:
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/1782/
It doesn't seem logical. If you're right, then you're right and the best that you will achieve is some "I told you so" bragging rights.
If you, and other civillian (as opposed to corporate) deniers are wrong however, and you prevent any meaningful action to be taken, then you have everything to lose.
Industries can be converted to sustainable with no long term negative effects on production, and with the correct legislation, the initial cost is spread throughout the market, so nobody gains a fair advantage.
http://www.readishmael.com/readishanderson.html
I'm serious. I'm really curious why people like your good self feel that we should keep poisoning the air and rivers. At the moment I can't understand the required mindset.
Thanks,
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12 Oct 06
Originally posted by Ragnorak...because he's a dumbass Republican, just like his daddy (Who is also his granddaddy).
I'm just curious. What have you got to gain by denying man's contribution to global warming and in so doing, preventing any action which, at worst, can't do any harm?
It doesn't seem logical. If you're right, then you're right and the best that you will achieve is some "I told you so" bragging rights.
If you, and other civillian (as opposed to corpo ...[text shortened]... r and rivers. At the moment I can't understand the required mindset.
Thanks,
D
12 Oct 06
Originally posted by RagnorakYou really don't get it do you. The hardworking shareholders have a divine right to exploit the environment to make money
I'm just curious. What have you got to gain by denying man's contribution to global warming and in so doing, preventing any action which, at worst, can't do any harm?
It doesn't seem logical. If you're right, then you're right and the best that you will achieve is some "I told you so" bragging rights.
If you, and other civillian (as opposed to corpo ...[text shortened]... r and rivers. At the moment I can't understand the required mindset.
Thanks,
D
13 Oct 06
Originally posted by RagnorakWhat is the reason most often cited for the US and Australia not signing up to the piece of toilet paper (I cry for the trees) called Kyoto.
preventing any action which, at worst, can't do any harm?
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i.e. what is the reason besides mans effect on global climate is unproven.
13 Oct 06
Originally posted by WajomaThe reason cited: "Effects on the economy"
What is the reason most often cited for the US and Australia not signing up to the piece of toilet paper (I cry for the trees) called Kyoto.
i.e. what is the reason besides mans effect on global climate is unproven.
Real reason: Petroleum companies funding Bush and Howard, avoiding paying money to clean up their pollution.
PS - might have known a gun nut like you would believe in the "global warming ain't happening" lie.
13 Oct 06
Originally posted by howardgeeDon't hold back on the conspiracies howie, go for your life.
The reason cited: "Effects on the economy"
Real reason: Petroleum companies funding Bush and Howard, avoiding paying money to clean up their pollution.
PS - might have known a gun nut like you would believe in the "global warming ain't happening" lie.
BTW I said "mans effect on climate". The climate is changing, when it stops changing that WILL be news.
13 Oct 06
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Originally posted by WajomaIf you think it is a conspiracy, then you really have your eyes shut. Bush is funded massively by ExxonMobil:
Don't hold back on the conspiracies howie, go for your life.
BTW I said "mans effect on climate". The climate is changing, when it stops changing that WILL be news.
"Under the administration of George W. Bush, the White House has become the East Coast branch office of ExxonMobil and Peabody Coal, and climate change has become the preeminent case study of the contamination of our political system by money."
http://www.grist.org/advice/books/2004/07/21/gelbspan-boiling/
Wake up, dipstick.
13 Oct 06
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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritteryou have freedom of speech on rhp.
Here it is – global warming alarmists are now calling for skeptics to be tried for war crimes, Nuremburg-style:
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/1782/
you also have freedom to lie on rhp.
we also have freedom to respond on rhp.
instead of wasting your time publicising pap, why don't you try to understand the bible of climate change - join us brother, do not deny the good lord.
13 Oct 06
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterVery good read! as evidenced by the knee- jerk
Here it is – global warming alarmists are now calling for skeptics to be tried for war crimes, Nuremburg-style:
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/1782/
reactions of the authoritarian "believers".
13 Oct 06
Originally posted by RagnorakSeconded. There should be at least a dozen different responses to this from frequent posters who appear to exhibit the "required mindset". Does freedom really exclude responsibility?
I'm serious. I'm really curious why people like your good self feel that we should keep poisoning the air and rivers. At the moment I can't understand the required mindset.
13 Oct 06
Originally posted by WajomaDon't you know...reasonable doubt is a "required mindset".
What is the reason most often cited for the US and Australia not signing up to the piece of toilet paper (I cry for the trees) called Kyoto.
i.e. what is the reason besides mans effect on global climate is unproven.
13 Oct 06
Originally posted by RagnorakThe reason is that environmentalism has been poorly marketed. It has a bad image -- liberal, bearded, granola-chewing, tree-hugging, take-away-my-SUV-and-make-me-ride-to-work-on-a-bicycle-like-I-lived-in-the-Third-World types.
I'm just curious. What have you got to gain by denying man's contribution to global warming and in so doing, preventing any action which, at worst, can't do any harm?
It doesn't seem logical. If you're right, then you're right and the best that you will achieve is some "I told you so" bragging rights.
If you, and other civillian (as opposed to corpo ...[text shortened]... r and rivers. At the moment I can't understand the required mindset.
Thanks,
D
Lots of people don't want to be associated with that image.
Originally posted by spruce112358Are you joking? When I think of environmental problems, I don't picture somebody like Sean Penn or whatever celebrity you are talking about... I picture dead fish http://www.southbaymobilization.org/newsroom/earth/howarticles/03.0905.InteriorDeptToProbeRovesWaterPolicy_picture.jpg, I picture clearcut rainforests, I picture hundreds of species extinctions a day, I picture choking smog, etc, etc.
The reason is that environmentalism has been poorly marketed. It has a bad image -- liberal, bearded, granola-chewing, tree-hugging, take-away-my-SUV-and-make-me-ride-to-work-on-a-bicycle-like-I-lived-in-the-Third-World types.
Lots of people don't want to be associated with that image.
So what you're saying is that people will continue killing stuff because they don't want to be associated with people who are environmentally friendly? Can people be that idiotic to assume a self harming position due to who has assumed the opposite position?
Even if CO2 doesn't cause global warming, it can't be good for us, can it? If somebody would like to disprove that statement, please sit in your car in your garage with your car running for a couple of hours and get back to me. That's effectively what we're doing, by not trying to cut back on CO2 (and other) gas emissions.
I know most of you who are against being environmentally friendly probably wouldn't sit in your car in your garage with the car running, but why are you so vehemently behind doing it on a grander scale? Do you really have a deathwish xs, wajoma and Der Schwarzer? Are you really psychotic enough to want to take the rest of us with you? Is there anything we can do to help?
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