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    01 Oct '18 14:50
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/stock-futures-climb-as-us-canada-confirm-new-trade-deal
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    01 Oct '18 15:32
    A great win! NAFTA now has a different name!
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    01 Oct '18 15:39
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    A great win! NAFTA now has a different name!
    poor fool
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    02 Oct '18 02:23
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/stock-futures-climb-as-us-canada-confirm-new-trade-deal
    "meet the new trade deal.... same as the old trade deal"
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    02 Oct '18 04:22
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    "meet the new trade deal.... same as the old trade deal"
    Is it really the same? Canada seemed to hesitate over the new one.
    What was wrong with the old one? What is good with the new one?
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    02 Oct '18 04:31
    This is a very significant difference:

    EVANSVILLE, Ind., Oct. 1 (UPI) -- In a new trade deal, Canada conceded a major sticking point in the negotiations with the United States by agreeing to open its dairy market to U.S. milk exports.

    Canada uses high tariffs to keep foreign milk out of its market. This enables the government to control national milk prices, and protects its small dairy farms from international competition. The U.S. dairy industry, which has no such protection, has long sought free trade. President Donald Trump took up that cause during negotiations, often tweeting that the tariffs were unfair and hurt American farmers.


    The rest of the article implies that this is all barely a win for the USA and a big loss for Canada, but I'm not so sure.

    https://www.upi.com/amp/Canada-concedes-dairy-market-access-in-new-US-trade-deal/3881538414588/
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    02 Oct '18 04:33
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    This is a very significant difference:

    [quote]EVANSVILLE, Ind., Oct. 1 (UPI) -- In a new trade deal, Canada conceded a major sticking point in the negotiations with the United States by agreeing to open its dairy market to U.S. milk exports.

    Canada uses high tariffs to keep foreign milk out of its market. This enables the government to control nati ...[text shortened]...
    https://www.upi.com/amp/Canada-concedes-dairy-market-access-in-new-US-trade-deal/3881538414588/
    Perhaps now you'd like to tell us all why American dairy farmers are still against this trade deal.
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    02 Oct '18 06:30
    Originally posted by @fabianfnas
    Is it really the same? Canada seemed to hesitate over the new one.
    What was wrong with the old one? What is good with the new one?
    It's all really minor stuff and basically a repackaging, but if granting Trump a symbolic win keeps him away from the nuclear football for a bit it's worth it, I suppose.
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    02 Oct '18 06:551 edit
    Funny how there’s no real details of the trade deal yet.
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    02 Oct '18 07:01
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    Funny how there’s no real details of the trade deal yet.
    Yes there's little in the way of a step by step comparison in terms of winners and losers and the bottom line of net gain or loss.
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    02 Oct '18 07:42
    Originally posted by @kmax87
    Yes there's little in the way of a step by step comparison in terms of winners and losers and the bottom line of net gain or loss.
    There's a detailed article in the New York Times; most of the changes are fairly minor. It amounts to a renegotiation of a few points not a completely different trade deal.
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    02 Oct '18 09:12
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    It's all really minor stuff and basically a repackaging, but if granting Trump a symbolic win keeps him away from the nuclear football for a bit it's worth it, I suppose.
    So, why didn't Canada accept the new treaty without fuzz? Why did they hesitate?
    Was there any point in the agreement that was an disadvantage for them?
    If Trump did win, then who lost? Why not just leave the Nafta as it was?
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    02 Oct '18 09:39
    Originally posted by @fabianfnas
    So, why didn't Canada accept the new treaty without fuzz? Why did they hesitate?
    Was there any point in the agreement that was an disadvantage for them?
    If Trump did win, then who lost? Why not just leave the Nafta as it was?
    Because it's all about Trump's ego and the Republicans' hatred of Obama.

    During his press conference today, I lost count how many times he said the deal was "very, very big". He couldn't "leave NAFTA as it was" because he campaigned on gutting it and putting "a much better deal" in its place. Well, he gutted it for sure, but "a much better deal"? That would be a "no". The man thinks everything Obama touched turned to crap and everything he touches turns to gold. And the Republican Trump-bots love every minute of his new season of "The Apprentice: White House Edition".
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    02 Oct '18 14:30
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    Because it's all about Trump's ego and the Republicans' hatred of Obama.

    During his press conference today, I lost count how many times he said the deal was "very, very big". He couldn't "leave NAFTA as it was" because he campaigned on gutting it and putting "a much better deal" in its place. Well, he gutted it for sure, but "a much better deal"? Tha ...[text shortened]... ublican Trump-bots love every minute of his new season of "The Apprentice: White House Edition".
    In another month they won't love him so much when the republican party gets gutted as bad as NAFTA was.
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    02 Oct '18 17:11
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    Because it's all about Trump's ego and the Republicans' hatred of Obama.

    During his press conference today, I lost count how many times he said the deal was "very, very big". He couldn't "leave NAFTA as it was" because he campaigned on gutting it and putting "a much better deal" in its place. Well, he gutted it for sure, but "a much better deal"? Tha ...[text shortened]... ublican Trump-bots love every minute of his new season of "The Apprentice: White House Edition".
    a pure lunatic...see if you can spot the lunacy?

    ""meet the new trade deal.... same as the old trade deal""

    "Well, he gutted it for sure, but "a much better deal"?"
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