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The "Lemmings" comment is from a Republican named in this op-ed piece, Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Tulare.
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunders/article/GOP-lemmings-in-their-suicide-vests-4864559.php
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GOP lemmings - in their suicide vests
When you write a column, you hear from people who think they have a clever magic-wand solution to intractable political issues. Washington has run up $17 trillion in debt? Pass term limits. Throw the bums out. Take away their pensions.
Sure, these ideas sound as if they might help, and it must feel good to propose something, but they ignore the entrenched forces that created these morasses in the first place. In a swamp that requires hard-nosed solutions, these folks instead have faith in what is known in political parlance as "shiny objects."
The shiny-object mongers have taken over the House GOP caucus. They think gimmicks can overcome basic math and, with the right tactic, they can win a political battle without controlling either the White House or the Senate.
They repeatedly have tried to defund Obamacare; they repeatedly didn't have the votes in the Senate. Then they added defunding Obamacare to a bill to keep the government running; they still didn't have the votes in the Senate. Then they stuck a one-year delay of Obamacare's individual mandate on the spending continuing resolution. Guess what: They didn't have the votes in the Senate.
These antics did win House Republicans a government shutdown. Too bad: The "Republican shutdown" is what President Obama and Democratic leaders wanted all along. GOP dysfunction is their shiny object that distracts attention from their inability to fix the U.S. economy.
Now, for the GOP House, it's all about face-saving and stunts. Speaker John Boehner keeps tossing out piecemeal funding bills to garner headlines, for example, about Democrats rejecting veterans' funding.
Some GOP solons are urging party leaders to hang on for a face-saving win. Get Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to agree on a spending bill that includes a provision to delay the individual mandate or Obamacare's ill-conceived medical device tax.
There are two problems with that approach. First, while Democrats should be interested in compromise, they're not. "For years, the president has said that in a divided government, no one gets 100 percent of what they want," Boehner complained in USA Today. "But when will his words match his actions?" The answer: not when he's getting what he wants.
But also, delaying the worst parts of Obamacare only helps Obamacare. That's why the president delayed the employer mandate and other provisions in his signature legislation. Republicans shouldn't help the Affordable Care Act by kicking its shortcomings down the road.
There's no covering up the fact that the Tea Party already has lost. When solid conservatives like Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Tulare, say the shutdown is suicidal - he called the shutdown-crowd "lemmings with suicide vests" - it's over.
Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., warned that the shutdown would lead GOP acolytes into a "box canyon." Republicans know what happened and who led them into a trap.
Savvy Republicans know that the best way to defeat the Affordable Care Act is to leave it alone and let it fall from its own weight.
Smart partisans know when to pick their battles.
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Originally posted by JS357House republicans know that if they wish to do away with a law they don't like such as the affordable care act, there is a process for doing so, this process does NOT involve shutting down the government. This move by house republicans is making the GOP more unpopular with each passing day, and will reflect badly on them at election time.😏
The "Lemmings" comment is from a Republican named in this op-ed piece, Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Tulare.
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunders/article/GOP-lemmings-in-their-suicide-vests-4864559.php
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GOP lemmings - in their suicide vests
When you write a column, you hear from people who think they have a clever magic-wand solution to intractable p ...[text shortened]... let it fall from its own weight.
Smart partisans know when to pick their battles.
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Originally posted by bill718Yaaaaayyy Go Democrats.
House republicans know that if they wish to do away with a law they don't like such as the affordable care act, there is a process for doing so, this process does NOT involve shutting down the government. This move by house republicans is making the GOP more unpopular with each passing day, and will reflect badly on them at election time.😏
Republicans suck.
Let's hope the American people remember in 2016.
Originally posted by JS357This is an amazing phenomena to a European, 'shut down the government', its like, what is going on with that.
The "Lemmings" comment is from a Republican named in this op-ed piece, Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Tulare.
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunders/article/GOP-lemmings-in-their-suicide-vests-4864559.php
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GOP lemmings - in their suicide vests
When you write a column, you hear from people who think they have a clever magic-wand solution to intractable p ...[text shortened]... let it fall from its own weight.
Smart partisans know when to pick their battles.
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Originally posted by JS357It may be that the Republican party is as divided as the Democrat party was at the 1860 Convention at Charlotte. Maybe not. That some Republicans don't have the stomach for a fight is understandable, but that is suicidal.
The "Lemmings" comment is from a Republican named in this op-ed piece, Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Tulare.
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunders/article/GOP-lemmings-in-their-suicide-vests-4864559.php
quote:
GOP lemmings - in their suicide vests
When you write a column, you hear from people who think they have a clever magic-wand solution to intractable p ...[text shortened]... let it fall from its own weight.
Smart partisans know when to pick their battles.
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Face it, the Republicans are going to be blamed by Democrats and the media for the failure of the ACA. They are being blamed for the fact we don't have a budget, and need to raise the debt ceiling yet again, and Republicans have had little if any government power. If a debt ceiling is to raised in rubber stamp fashion, why have it at all?
If our government continues its spending ways, default is bound to come sooner or later.
Nobody wants to be the one issuing a wake up call to a credit abuser.
Originally posted by bill718Billy, the President, and Harry Reid aren't innocent bystanders.
House republicans know that if they wish to do away with a law they don't like such as the affordable care act, there is a process for doing so, this process does NOT involve shutting down the government. This move by house republicans is making the GOP more unpopular with each passing day, and will reflect badly on them at election time.😏
Thinking about it, it is a bit like a strike, or its reverse a lock out. In either case both of the parties that could not bargain a deal are at fault.
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Originally posted by normbenignThe issue that makes me think, is whether we want to strengthen the degree to which the threat of shutting down the ("nonessential" parts of) government is to be an accepted bargaining chip in the pursuit of single-issue, single party, even single political bloc agendas. A secondary issue is how the house (and presumably, Senate) rules can allow one member to keep a bill from being debated and voted on.
Billy, the President, and Harry Reid aren't innocent bystanders.
Thinking about it, it is a bit like a strike, or its reverse a lock out. In either case both of the parties that could not bargain a deal are at fault.
These matters aren't partisan.
Well, I should correct that. These matters are partisan if one of the parties wants to destroy the US experiment in federal government.
Originally posted by JS357As far as I know, nobody has affirmatively threatened to shut down the government. The Democrats have tried to use it as a club to get the Republicans to stop negotiating, and just go along. As far as I can see, the Republicans have made several counter offers, and Reid and the President none. If anyone is to be blamed for the shutdown, it has to be the party that failed to negotiate.
The issue that makes me think, is whether we want to strengthen the degree to which the threat of shutting down the ("nonessential" parts of) government is to be an accepted bargaining chip in the pursuit of single-issue, single party, even single political bloc agendas. A secondary issue is how the house (and presumably, Senate) rules can allow one member to ...[text shortened]... ers are partisan of one of the parties wants to destroy the US experiment in federal government.
Originally posted by normbenignFinally a post that hits the nail on the head..a president and Senate leader who will not give an inch..
As far as I know, nobody has affirmatively threatened to shut down the government. The Democrats have tried to use it as a club to get the Republicans to stop negotiating, and just go along. As far as I can see, the Republicans have made several counter offers, and Reid and the President none. If anyone is to be blamed for the shutdown, it has to be the party that failed to negotiate.
Originally posted by johnnylongwoodyAmericans have two choices. They can let the GOP get their hands on Obamacare and get a "piece of the pie", or continue government shutdowns.
Yaaaaayyy Go Democrats.
Republicans suck.
Let's hope the American people remember in 2016.
Then again, they could just vote democrat from now on.
My guess is that the GOP wants to give perks to their supporters like the DNC did with Obamacare. They really could care less about the size and scope of government, rather, they just want in on the action. My guess is that they want to meld Obamacare and Romneycare into one policy for all.
However, conservatives would rather have the states handle the health care issue. Neither party would ever fathom of doing that.
Originally posted by Hugh GlassThere is really no reason for Obama to negotiate with the GOP. He passed Obamacare without them and he will continue to govern without them. What exactly is stopping him?
Finally a post that hits the nail on the head..a president and Senate leader who will not give an inch..
Americans voted Obama and the democrats into office after "W" and then voted the GOP into office after Obamacare was passed. Then they voted Obama back into office.
Americans got the government they deserved. Either that or they are all retards. My guess is the later.