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  1. 30 May '15 23:05

    Data released for the first time showed that across large areas of the country, almost no patients above the age of 75 are receiving surgery for breast cancer or routine operations such as gall bladder removal and knee replacements.
    The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice), was also criticised for attempting to change its funding criteria to take into account "wider societal benefits" when deciding on whether to fund drugs.
    Health experts branded the move ‘deeply suspect’ and said the elderly, may lose out because they do not contribute as much to society as younger people.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/elder/11637179/Elderly-face-NHS-discrimination-under-new-UN-death-targets.html


    What have you done for us lately?

    It does fit my belief about Socialism. Collect from people while they are young, then put them out to pasture. It is a great way for the new class to milk the working class. All on false promises of security.
  2. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    31 May '15 01:22 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    [b]
    Data released for the first time showed that across large areas of the country, almost no patients above the age of 75 are receiving surgery for breast cancer or routine operations such as gall bladder removal and knee replacements.
    The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice), was also criticised for attempting to change its funding cri ...[text shortened]... is a great way for the new class to milk the working class. All on false promises of security.
    I have news for you Mr. Stars and Stripes. Life expectancy in the UK ranks 19th in the world, while the good old USA has dropped to #34. The Brits outlive Americans by 2+ years, so before you start trash talking other countries, maybe you should start looking in the mirror and write down what you see. (Or are you afraid to??)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
  3. 31 May '15 03:45
    Originally posted by bill718
    I have news for you Mr. Stars and Stripes. Life expectancy in the UK ranks 19th in the world, while the good old USA has dropped to #34. The Brits outlive Americans by 2+ years, so before you start trash talking other countries, maybe you should start looking in the mirror and write down what you see. (Or are you afraid to??)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
    Is that news for me?

    We will see what the average life expectancy for someone over 70 in the UK after the next 10 or so years. What we are seeing are changes because UK can't afford its medical industry.
  4. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    31 May '15 04:11
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Is that news for me?

    We will see what the average life expectancy for someone over 70 in the UK after the next 10 or so years. What we are seeing are changes because UK can't afford its medical industry.
    I very much doubt you are able to predict what the UK can or cannot afford.
  5. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    31 May '15 04:38
    Originally posted by bill718
    I very much doubt you are able to predict what the UK can or cannot afford.
    There is no need to predict. They can't afford it now.
  6. 31 May '15 06:38
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Is that news for me?

    We will see what the average life expectancy for someone over 70 in the UK after the next 10 or so years. What we are seeing are changes because UK can't afford its medical industry.
    The UK spends about 9.4% of its GDP on health care, compared to 17.7% in the US (OECD, 2011).
  7. 31 May '15 14:27
    Originally posted by bill718
    I have news for you Mr. Stars and Stripes. Life expectancy in the UK ranks 19th in the world, while the good old USA has dropped to #34. The Brits outlive Americans by 2+ years, so before you start trash talking other countries, maybe you should start looking in the mirror and write down what you see. (Or are you afraid to??)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
    With Obamacare in place I dare say those numbers will widen.
  8. 31 May '15 15:23
    Originally posted by whodey
    With Obamacare in place I dare say those numbers will widen.
    Here's a list of US states by life expectancy:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_life_expectancy
  9. 31 May '15 18:33
    Originally posted by bill718
    I very much doubt you are able to predict what the UK can or cannot afford.
    Why make the cuts in service if you can afford it? It isn't a prediction, it is an observation.
  10. 31 May '15 18:41
    If you are part of the ever shrinking middle class in the U.S. and lucky, you will have decent health care. I suspect those from the U.S.on this site who bash other countries government supported health care along with Obama Care have access to health care. Unfortunately, U.S. conservatives tend to only be interested in themselves and their immediate family. Everyone else can rot in Hell and/or deserve their hardships.
  11. 31 May '15 18:57
    Originally posted by Phranny
    If you are part of the ever shrinking middle class in the U.S. and lucky, you will have decent health care. I suspect those from the U.S.on this site who bash other countries government supported health care along with Obama Care have access to health care. Unfortunately, U.S. conservatives tend to only be interested in themselves and their immediate family. Everyone else can rot in Hell and/or deserve their hardships.
    In the UK if you are too old you can go to hell.
  12. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    31 May '15 22:21 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Why make the cuts in service if you can afford it? It isn't a prediction, it is an observation.
    The NHS was founded by a socialist government in 1945. Today it has been reduced to a brand name and its services are being systematically made available to American health companies looking to grow. A number of cabinet members have a direct personal financial interest. Public spending is simply a convenient cash cow to be milked.

    What can be afforded is a political choice and with a neo liberal Tory government in place, revenues are being sacrificed to tax cuts and tax avoidance. Austerity is the fraudulent solution to the 2008 crash which was of course caused by the financial sector and nothing to do with public spending whatever. Indeed, the USA was the primary source of the crash.

    Socialism? You jest.
  13. 01 Jun '15 15:43
    The Chief Executive of the NHS estimated that the NHS needed an extra £8bn a year.

    Which is less than 1p on income tax and VAT.

    Easily affordable.
  14. 01 Jun '15 15:44 / 1 edit
  15. 01 Jun '15 15:44
    Originally posted by Eladar
    In the UK if you are too old you can go to hell.
    Have you ever lived in the UK?