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  1. Donation Luck
    TEA PARTY MEMBER
    18 Sep '10 07:05
    Look what is happening in the countries with governmental healthcare!

    The Swedish government prohibits to use of certain medicines because they are too expensive and provide only benefit for the sick person, but it takes too much money; rationing!

    Northen Swedish districts are planning to remove smokers from the transplant surgery lists! What is next, alcohol users, meat-eaters and people who do not exercise!

    In France, the plan is the put overweight children in the foster homes since the parents cannot control their kids weigths!

    By the way, based on the body weight and hight scales from mid-1800, the American cyclist Lance Armstong is classified as OBESE! He has no body fat!

    Do not allow the government get too big and control your personal life!

    Sincerely,

    Harri / Luck
  2. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    18 Sep '10 08:08
    Originally posted by Luck
    Look what is happening in the countries with governmental healthcare!

    The Swedish government prohibits to use of certain medicines because they are too expensive and provide only benefit for the sick person, but it takes too much money; rationing!
    There's nothing stopping Swedish citizens from using private health care services just like British people in the U.K. Swedes are free to spend their money how they wish and take care of their health just as they want to. And they are apparently good at doing so.

    "Sweden regularly comes top or close to the top of worldwide healthcare rankings", as wikipedia points out.
  3. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    18 Sep '10 09:29
    Originally posted by Luck
    Look what is happening in the countries with governmental healthcare!

    The Swedish government prohibits to use of certain medicines because they are too expensive and provide only benefit for the sick person, but it takes too much money; rationing!

    Northen Swedish districts are planning to remove smokers from the transplant surgery lists! What is next, al ...[text shortened]... t allow the government get too big and control your personal life!

    Sincerely,

    Harri / Luck
    Nice one Hari,

    I wonder who owns your body, I'm pretty sure I own mine so it's hard to understand why there are some here who want to take control of it's care, I don't understand by what right they make that claim.

    W
  4. 18 Sep '10 12:44
    Originally posted by Luck
    Do not allow the government get too big and control your personal life!

    Sincerely,

    Harri / Luck[/b]
    Now you tell us.
  5. 18 Sep '10 17:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Luck
    Look what is happening in the countries with governmental healthcare!

    The Swedish government prohibits to use of certain medicines because they are too expensive and provide only benefit for the sick person, but it takes too much money; rationing!

    Northen Swedish districts are planning to remove smokers from the transplant surgery lists! What is next, al ...[text shortened]... t allow the government get too big and control your personal life!

    Sincerely,

    Harri / Luck
    I guess you can post anything without backing it up.

    Let me add then

    Swedish doctors no longer help people who kiss fish.
  6. 18 Sep '10 18:10
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Nice one Hari,

    I wonder who owns your body, I'm pretty sure I own mine so it's hard to understand why there are some here who want to take control of it's care, I don't understand by what right they make that claim.

    W
    If I want to commit suicide, someone will stop me. Why? It's my body, I want to stop it whenenver I want.

    If I'm terminal ill, and want my doctor to terminate it, he wont. Why? Because I have not the right to my own body.

    If you want to take drugs, like heroine, in many countries it's illegal. Why? Am I not the master of my own body?

    It's an illusion that I own my own body.
  7. 20 Sep '10 20:04 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Luck
    Look what is happening in the countries with governmental healthcare!

    The Swedish government prohibits to use of certain medicines because they are too expensive and provide only benefit for the sick person, but it takes too much money; rationing!

    Northen Swedish districts are planning to remove smokers from the transplant surgery lists! What is next, al ...[text shortened]... t allow the government get too big and control your personal life!

    Sincerely,

    Harri / Luck
    You'll be happy to know that Sweden's healthcare system has steadily declined during the last four years of privatising to the point where people with various terminal conditions (whom has been in early retirement without private insurances) are now forced to work. You'll no doubt also enjoy the fact that the right wing parties (whose prime goal it has been to deconstruct the social welfare system for the purpose of lowering income - and some other - taxes) was re-elected into (minority) government last night.

    I think you'll have to revise your view of Sweden, because its people (though they also voted in a party with extreme right views - borderline nazi) seems to want a more americanized version of capitalism these days than the traditional socialist system. Yesterday's election is historical also because it's the first time that a bourgeouis government has been re-elected, which indicates that Sweden has indeed gone through a fundamental political change these last four to twenty years.
  8. 22 Sep '10 13:17 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Meinarl
    You'll no doubt also enjoy the fact that the right wing parties (whose prime goal it has been to deconstruct the social welfare system for the purpose of lowering income - and some other - taxes) was re-elected into (minority) government last night.
    The Swedish family with whom I was staying just outside Stockholm during election week voted for the right-of-centre government because the Social Democrats were pledged to reintroduce a property tax that would have led to my friend's parents (one soon to retire; the other not in regular work) and his 96-year-old grandmother each having to pay tens of thousands of Swedish crowns a year for the mere privilege of living in their homes. I can't help feeling that to level punitive taxes at people in such fairly precarious situations, just because their property is worth a lot on paper, is not to fulfill the Social Democrats' stated ambition of protecting the vulnerable.
  9. 22 Sep '10 16:55
    Originally posted by Luck
    Look what is happening in the countries with governmental healthcare!

    The Swedish government prohibits to use of certain medicines because they are too expensive and provide only benefit for the sick person, but it takes too much money; rationing!

    Northen Swedish districts are planning to remove smokers from the transplant surgery lists! What is next, al ...[text shortened]... t allow the government get too big and control your personal life!

    Sincerely,

    Harri / Luck
    All these ideas you list were advanced recently by many prominent Republicans in their quest to repeal ObamaCare (whatever that is.) So, are you now the rabid Marxist that I always thought you were?
  10. 22 Sep '10 19:04 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Teinosuke
    The Swedish family with whom I was staying just outside Stockholm during election week voted for the right-of-centre government because the Social Democrats were pledged to reintroduce a property tax that would have led to my friend's parents (one soon to retire; the other not in regular work) and his 96-year-old grandmother each having to pay tens of thou paper, is not to fulfill the Social Democrats' stated ambition of protecting the vulnerable.
    Certainly a valid reason to vote "right-of-centre". On the other hand, because they voted so, they indirectly declared that the current situation for those genuinely unable to work is acceptable, because it would seem that their situation is about to worsen considering the latest news on the subject.

    Be that as it may, my reply was meant to illuminate the fact that Sweden is no longer so much a socialist country (as Luck seemed to think), but much more to the right than it used to be in decades of old. The welfare system he's talking about is actually the result of right-wing politics.

    Sorry, "right-of-centre"-wing politics.
  11. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    22 Sep '10 22:03
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    If I want to commit suicide, someone will stop me. Why? It's my body, I want to stop it whenenver I want.

    If I'm terminal ill, and want my doctor to terminate it, he wont. Why? Because I have not the right to my own body.

    If you want to take drugs, like heroine, in many countries it's illegal. Why? Am I not the master of my own body?

    It's an illusion that I own my own body.
    All those things are rights, all those things are examples of people excercising soveriegnty over themselvs and each one has had a thread devoted to specifically suicide, euthanasia and drugs. On one side there are the control freaks and on the other side freedom lovers.

    Are rights routinely violated?
    Are rights routinely violated by the very people who should be defending them?

    Hey, I aren't going to argue with you on those points.
  12. 27 Sep '10 16:13
    we may allways find smth unusual in *what-ever-else*care in different countries.
    but each country has it's own system. we should examine it complexly.

    p.s. if you want to survive in russia - you should never visit free doctors )