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16 Sep 23
19 Sep 23
@averagejoe1 saidKind of puts y'all in a bind eh?
So, was the charge filed to totally draw attention away from the REAL problems with our country and our president?? Joe is involved everything else, but no charges. Jesus.
Those who think Joe, under impeachment inquiry, is squeaky-clean, need not respond.
Do you delight in the indictment of your political enemy, or attack a law you oppose?
We oppose all gun control laws, but we also oppose hunter so for now he's a criminal.
20 Sep 23
@wildgrass saidJoe thinks it’s unfair that they won’t indict a POTUS that he doesn’t like just because there is no evidence nearly as much as he hates the idea that a POTUS he does like can be indicted when there is evidence
Kind of puts y'all in a bind eh?
Do you delight in the indictment of your political enemy, or attack a law you oppose?
We oppose all gun control laws, but we also oppose hunter so for now he's a criminal.
It’s almost like he wants to angry
@averagejoe1 saidWe spent three years looking for "Russian Collusion" in spite of scant planted evidence. The prosecutor was given free rein to fish for other crimes and seek plea deals to give dirt on bigger fish. THAT was a lot more of an attempted coup than Jan 6th ever was.
So, was the charge filed to totally draw attention away from the REAL problems with our country and our president?? Joe is involved everything else, but no charges. Jesus.
Those who think Joe, under impeachment inquiry, is squeaky-clean, need not respond.
For the Biden's there is 10x more initial evidence related to bribery than there ever was for "Russian Collusion", yet the media is aggressively uninterested in looking closer into it.
I was watching CNN report on the Hunter Biden gun charge and the reporter almost couldn't contain her joy that they got an excuse to pretend like they're not showing favoritism, yet they can do it in a way where Joe Biden can't possibly be touched.
In fairness, some Republicans aren't bright enough to understand what's happening and feel like this is a cause for celebration.
In the whole scheme of things, this gun crime is minor. Hunter won't spend a day in jail, and who cares whether he does anyway? Worse case, he gets probation and a criminal record. How does that help Republicans and how does that hurt a public figure? Maybe if he applies for a job installing burglar alarms at $20 per hour he won't pass the background check. But the other board members of Burisma who'll pay him a million per year couldn't care less whether he has a criminal record. We all know he lied on his gun application whether he's convicted or not. The people he'll be working with don't care whether some court decided to call it a crime.
@techsouth saidRegarding trump (not the focus of this thread) the Russia investigation was about interference, not collusion. Dozens of criminals were arrested.
We spent three years looking for "Russian Collusion" in spite of scant planted evidence. The prosecutor was given free rein to fish for other crimes and seek plea deals to give dirt on bigger fish. THAT was a lot more of an attempted coup than Jan 6th ever was.
For the Biden's there is 10x more initial evidence related to bribery than there ever was for "Russian Collus ...[text shortened]... or not. The people he'll be working with don't care whether some court decided to call it a crime.
Interesting that you cite three years since Hunters laptop was found, and the DOJ investigations actually were launched well before that. Millions of tax dollars were spent already on these investigations.
So what's the 10x evidence of whatever? Can you lay it out for us?
22 Sep 23
@wildgrass saidI was paying attention from 2021 through 2023. It is absolutely false that this was an investigation about "interference". It was about "collusion" and the media reported as basically fact waiting to finalize the documentation.
Regarding trump (not the focus of this thread) the Russia investigation was about interference, not collusion. Dozens of criminals were arrested.
Interesting that you cite three years since Hunters laptop was found, and the DOJ investigations actually were launched well before that. Millions of tax dollars were spent already on these investigations.
So what's the 10x evidence of whatever? Can you lay it out for us?
I didn't bring up the laptop, but since you did, when the story broke there were 51 current and former intelligence officials that publicly stated that the story looked exactly like "Russian Disinformation". A total lie used to oppose Trump. A total lie! Additionally, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube suppressed the story so that it could not even be shared. I repeat, they suppressed a true story, after having spent 3 years openly allowing lies about Russian Collusion to freely flow.
If you want evidence of Biden corruption, start by reading this transcript. It's a tough read and just a start. https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Devon-Archer-Transcript.pdf
Interestingly, Trump was impeached for a "quid-pro-quo" because he hinted at withdrawing aid from Ukraine supposedly in hopes of some effort to investigate Biden corruption in Ukraine. I kind of think the Democrats reacted because they knew Trump was over the target. But Joe Biden, and vice president openly demanded a prosecutor be fired or else he'd ensure that maybe a billion dollars in aide would be withheld. How is that for "quid-pro-quo"? Biden even bragged about it.
As far as investigating the Bidens, I know the standard talking point is that Trump only did it to help is chances for reelection. But as we stand here in the precipice of World War 3 involving the US and Russia, wouldn't it be nice to know whether or not someone in Ukraine is blackmailing Biden? Wouldn't you say that is in our nation's interest?
@techsouth
In other words, if Trump is convicted it is because the entire DOJ is corrupt, the courts are corrupt, even the JURY who convicts is corrupt since Trump is totally innocent of all charges and that deal on Jan 6 was just a peaceful political discourse.
Is that about it?
I guess the entire US is corrupt since your god king can do no wrong.
22 Sep 23
@sonhouse saidanswer his question, is biden being blackmailed? billions going out the door with no one knowing where it is going
@techsouth
In other words, if Trump is convicted it is because the entire DOJ is corrupt, the courts are corrupt, even the JURY who convicts is corrupt since Trump is totally innocent of all charges and that deal on Jan 6 was just a peaceful political discourse.
Is that about it?
I guess the entire US is corrupt since your god king can do no wrong.
@techsouth saidYou're so mixed up here. The laptop was Hunter Biden not trump. Yeesh.
I was paying attention from 2021 through 2023. It is absolutely false that this was an investigation about "interference". It was about "collusion" and the media reported as basically fact waiting to finalize the documentation.
I didn't bring up the laptop, but since you did, when the story broke there were 51 current and former intelligence officials that publicly sta ...[text shortened]... or not someone in Ukraine is blackmailing Biden? Wouldn't you say that is in our nation's interest?
I read the archer transcript and we've already had threads discussing..did you read the part where he unequivocally stated that he did not know of any wrongdoing by Biden. He debunked many of the allegations that the GOP have said, eg the alleged burisma bribes did not happen.
Where's the 10x evidence? Trump campaign managers are handing documents over to Russian spies, and you have Devon archer saying Joe Biden did nothing wrong.
25 Sep 23
@wildgrass saidYou're so mixed up here. The laptop was Hunter Biden not trump. Yeesh.
You're so mixed up here. The laptop was Hunter Biden not trump. Yeesh.
I read the archer transcript and we've already had threads discussing..did you read the part where he unequivocally stated that he did not know of any wrongdoing by Biden. He debunked many of the allegations that the GOP have said, eg the alleged burisma bribes did not happen.
Where's the 10x evide ...[text shortened]... nding documents over to Russian spies, and you have Devon archer saying Joe Biden did nothing wrong.
Maybe spend more than 3 seconds trying to understand before you ridicule.
The 51 intel agents said the laptop was likely Russian Disinformation. That is the total lie. It is a lie that it was Russian Disinformation. That lie was told to oppose Trump. I was not saying "The Laptop" was a lie. "The Laptop" is a noun phrase. A noun phrase wouldn't have been the thing I was saying was a lie.
And from Devon Archer's testimony we know that Devon and others understood that Hunter Biden was peddling his dad's influence. His testimony reveals that other than a belief that that is what was happening (and a remarkable coincidence that that seemed to be what DID happen), that he doesn't possess physical evidence. An investigation from here could take one of two routes:
(A) There is testimony that a business partner believed the Bidens were peddling influence and that external events are consistent with that belief. This could be considered probable cause for more investigation. We could open an investigation and subpoena bank records and other witnesses... or..
(B) Conclude that since the first witness doesn't already have enough to convict that we won't call any other witnesses that might bolster the case.
The pattern is clear. If it involves a Democrat, proceed according to (B), if it is Trump, proceed according to (A) even if the evidence is much less compelling.
But, you're probably right. The people spending millions of dollars for Biden's influence were probably too stupid to realize that the Biden's incorruptible in dealing with the American people, but dishonest in dealing with the people paying actually paying them millions.
25 Sep 23
@sonhouse saidI think you're in cognitive dissidence.
@techsouth
In other words, if Trump is convicted it is because the entire DOJ is corrupt, the courts are corrupt, even the JURY who convicts is corrupt since Trump is totally innocent of all charges and that deal on Jan 6 was just a peaceful political discourse.
Is that about it?
I guess the entire US is corrupt since your god king can do no wrong.
@sonhouse saidHave you ever told us why they have not charged him with insurrection?
@techsouth
In other words, if Trump is convicted it is because the entire DOJ is corrupt, the courts are corrupt, even the JURY who convicts is corrupt since Trump is totally innocent of all charges and that deal on Jan 6 was just a peaceful political discourse.
Is that about it?
I guess the entire US is corrupt since your god king can do no wrong.
@techsouth saidI asked for evidence of bribery (you said 10x) and you gave me the Devon archer interview where he stated unequivocally that he didn't witness any criminal activity.
You're so mixed up here. The laptop was Hunter Biden not trump. Yeesh.
Maybe spend more than 3 seconds trying to understand before you ridicule.
The 51 intel agents said the laptop was likely Russian Disinformation. That is the total lie. It is a lie that it was Russian Disinformation. That lie was told to oppose Trump. I was not saying "The Laptop" was a ...[text shortened]... the American people, but dishonest in dealing with the people paying actually paying them millions.
Peddling influence? Is that the charge?
26 Sep 23
@wildgrass saidThe Devon Archer testimony contained more evidence of Biden wrongdoing than they had for "Russian Collusion" against Trump. "Russian Collusion" was first brought up in late 2016. Why didn't they file charges then? They didn't have enough to charge him with a crime, but they claimed to have had enough to warrant a deeper investigation to search for more damning evidence.
I asked for evidence of bribery (you said 10x) and you gave me the Devon archer interview where he stated unequivocally that he didn't witness any criminal activity.
Peddling influence? Is that the charge?
Is there a law on the books against "Russian Collusion"? No. Is it a crime to talk to a Russian? No. But they supposedly saw some suspicious patterns of interactions that they felt like they could open a more formal investigation and actually search for the additional evidence they would need to find a crime.
That's how they treated Trump.
But with Biden, they have a pattern of behavior that any normal person would find very suspicious. This pattern of behavior, I contend, was 10x more suspicious than anything they had pertaining to the bogus "Russian Collusion".
With the Bidens, it's almost as if they have their finger in their ears and are saying "I can't hear you! I can't hear you!". The press should be curious and perhaps even asking serious questions about the 20 or so shell companies, the oddity of Biden getting Shoski fired, the fact that this is somehow NOT a "quid pro quo" after we all supposedly learned the adjunct depravity of a "quid pro quo" during the Trump years.
They are almost belligerent in their effort to remain uncurious.
"Peddling Influence" is not the name of a crime. But if Hunter is working in conjunction with Joe offering to use his power to anyone who'll pay, that would be termed something like "soliciting a bribe". If they actually took money, that would be "accepting a bribe". In neither case do I know the precise legal term, but we all know that both are crimes. And I don't think for the sake of this conversation we would necessarily need to know the precise legal language that a bribe involving the VP would be.
In spite of the fact that everyone understands what "peddling influence" is and intuitively knows it would have to be a crime when done by the VP, you are amazingly obtuse about it's meaning for some reason. Are you also trying to make sure you can't really understand so you can feel better about saying "nothing to see here"?
@techsouth said
The Devon Archer testimony contained more evidence of Biden wrongdoing than they had for "Russian Collusion" against Trump. "Russian Collusion" was first brought up in late 2016. Why didn't they file charges then? They didn't have enough to charge him with a crime, but they claimed to have had enough to warrant a deeper investigation to search for more damning evidence. ...[text shortened]... to make sure you can't really understand so you can feel better about saying "nothing to see here"?
The Devon Archer testimony contained more evidence of Biden wrongdoing than they had for "Russian Collusion" against Trump
No that's carp. He answered "no" to a direct question about whether he witnessed any criminal activity. How is that evidence of wrongdoing? I used the words "peddling influence" because you keep accusing the Bidens of it, but as you said it isn't illegal. Maybe it should be. Definitely not 10x evidence. Moreover, leading up to this testimony there has already been a large amount of government resources invested in this, including lengthy investigations of burisma ("no wrongdoing"😉 and millions spent on investigating other angles over a 5 year period. Investigations are currently ongoing, but the archer testimony was a result of multi-year investigations. So I reject your assertion that people are saying there's nothing to see.
I honestly don't know what the trump evidence is you seem to want to compare to. That investigation was about Russian interference, and there was hacking and Russian agents found to be operating on US soul. The interference was "sweeping and systematic". Campaign aides were meeting in person with Russian spies, flying to Russia, pleading the 5th or ignoring subpoenas when asked what was discussed. 37 criminal charges were filed. Real crimes were committed. Definitely not nothing to see there either.