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... irresponsible people do. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership don't have gun crime rates, especially mass shootings, anywhere near as high as in America. Clearly, guns aren't the problem; it's Americans who are the problem.

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Sorry the video's not available wherever you are. It's an interview between an American commentator / gun enthusiast and a Swiss gun trainer. Switzerland is heavily armed (3d highest rate of gun ownership per 100 residents in the world, behind Yemen and the USA), yet the gun-related violence is incredibly low. Here is a text article summarizing the same basic facts:

https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2?r=US&IR=T

Clearly, the issue is not guns as such, but the attitude of gun owners in general and specifically the threshold for using them in anger.

Interestingly, most of the gun-related deaths in Switzerland are suicides, not murders or connected with armed robberies.

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95% White, but also 20% resident aliens. Go figure.

As the article points out, Switzerland ranks consistently high on several parameters: low corruption, trust in local and federal government, and happiness. I'm sure there is a connection with low crime rates. Happy people don't commit armed robberies or feel they need to resort to violence to get what they think they deserve.

America is seething with angry people who feel disempowered and cheated. Trump was their poster boy; not a cause of it of course but clearly played to that crowd.

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@moonbus said
95% White, but also 20% resident aliens. Go figure.

As the article points out, Switzerland ranks consistently high on several parameters: low corruption, trust in local and federal government, and happiness. I'm sure there is a connection with low crime rates. Happy people don't commit armed robberies or feel they need to resort to violence to get what they think they dese ...[text shortened]... d cheated. Trump was their poster boy; not a cause of it of course but clearly played to that crowd.
Bowling for Columbine was filmed in 2000 and 2001. In it Michael Moore makes the same point. He starts by attacking the gun lobby for mass shootings, but then pivots and blames American culture by pointing out that Canadians also love guns and don't kill each other with the same frequency.

I wanted to ask him then whether, then, he's really arguing for stricter gun laws or for cultural changes. Since I couldn't ask him, I'll ask you. Is it the NRA's fault or is it our bad mood?

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We have ALWAYS have had high
firearm homicide rates..........
I don't think Al Capone listened to rap
music, fact is, he was an opera lover.
....Pro gun/ anti gun, everyone must admit
that there are just too many guns available to EVERYONE.
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Y'all refer to firearms, here and there,
long guns are allowed in many countries,
it's the handguns that are restricted
in most places around the world.

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What country is that?

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That's changing, I wager its gun statistics will change too when that 95% becomes 80 or less.

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@jj-adams said
That's changing, I wager its gun statistics will change too when that 95% becomes 80 or less.
You predict......huh,?
Go to the horse races often?
Or you just tell fortunes in a tent at the fair?

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@sh76 said
Is if the NRA's fault or is it our bad mood?
The NRA is very much a part of the USA's unhealthy obsession with its guns. So, really, it's both; they're aspects of the same problem.

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@jimm619 said
You predict......huh,?
Go to the horse races often?
Or you just tell fortunes in a tent at the fair?
Past experience.

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@jj-adams said
Past experience.
Oh, a seer

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@moonbus said
... irresponsible people do. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership don't have gun crime rates, especially mass shootings, anywhere near as high as in America. Clearly, guns aren't the problem; it's Americans who are the problem.

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In most every country, there are ,
training and licensing protocols.
Similar to our driving license requirements
.............At least do background tests, for goodness sake/