Guns everywhere!

Originally posted by Soothfast
There are already countries where "guns everywhere" is the rule.

Somalia comes to mind...

Yeah. In Somalia, 12 year old boys don't come across a gun by accident that their parent owns. They are kidnapped and issued a weapon by a warlord who sets and example by killing the first one to object.

Originally posted by vivify
You do realize that bullying by school-age children is such an epidemic, that a many anti-bullying campaigns have been started, right? And this amount bullying is in spite of the fact that children are taught as soon as they can understand words, the importance of respect, being nice, sharing, love, tolerance, getting along with others, etc, both at home ...[text shortened]... se guns, I certainly don't expect doing so will keep kids from "going off the tracks" with guns.

Of course, nothing can prevent kids from "going of the tracks". On balance I would prefer that parents, and organizations run by parents handle training of children on both the use of guns, and their reproductive organs, and proper moral interactions with others.

Most of the problems with bullying happen to be in big school districts with programs to stop it. Government is a poor substitute for proper parenting.

Originally posted by Soothfast
There are already countries where "guns everywhere" is the rule.

Somalia comes to mind...

yes, that is true.

so one should ask if the US wishes to be like somalia.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Gun safety should be taught, just because you are taught how to handle
a gun safely isn't training them how to fight with them. Only to use them
as they are designed to. It isn't the training on how to use the gun that
should matter as much as teaching kids to value life so that even knowing
how to use a gun does not mean they will do it in some evil way.
Kelly

they
are
children.


handling guns properly is not their job, it is ours.
protecting them is not their job, it is ours.

this is the kind of world we are building? where children learn how to properly kill?

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
they
are
children.


handling guns properly is not their job, it is ours.
protecting them is not their job, it is ours.

this is the kind of world we are building? where children learn how to properly kill?

Who are you to tell people their children should not know how to handle
a weapon to defend themselves, or to hunt, or use them for whatever
reason they want to. People are trained in how to use power tools, to drive
cars, and any number of things. You would not allow people to raise their
children as they see fit?

I don't have issue one with kids knowing the power and proper use of guns
as long as they are also taught the proper respect for life and honor. You
see kids today killing each other with all types of weapons today, they are
losing respect for everyone around them. That is where our true trouble
is not the weapons that are around. Your fighting the wrong fight!
Kelly

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Ask a serious question, guns are not something to play with, unless you
are talking about play guns toys for kids. I would not have an issue
with a shooting range by my home I'd be okay with it, if as I said things
were done properly. It isn't lawful use of guns I worry about it is those that
have evil intent, and with them with guns, or without guns they are
dangerous. So it is the heart of people that is more troubling than whatever
is around my home.
Kelly

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Responsible parents don't let children "play" with guns and explosives. Children on farms are often taught, at an age considered appropriate to the parents how to use both in their farming chores. For your information, full auto weapons and hand grenades aren't readily available for purchase anywhere in the US.

A warlord in Somalia, may force a kidnapped child to carry both a full auto AK47 and/or an RPG launcher, and with very little training in the use of either.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Who are you to tell people their children should not know how to handle
a weapon to defend themselves, or to hunt, or use them for whatever
reason they want to. People are trained in how to use power tools, to drive
cars, and any number of things. You would not allow people to raise their
children as they see fit?

I don't have issue one with kids kno ...[text shortened]... here our true trouble
is not the weapons that are around. Your fighting the wrong fight!
Kelly

" People are trained in how to use power tools, to drive cars, and any number of things."
people. not children. you teach children how tie their shoes. and you gradually work your way from there. you don't teach them to use guns or drive cars. you don't teach them how to do beer stands, how to smoke, how to work in coal mines.

"You would not allow people to raise their children as they see fit?"
no. we stop people to raise their children as they see fit all the time. it is simply a matter of where you draw the boundary.

"they are losing respect for everyone around them."
that is another issue. yes, you should teach them that but that doesn't allow you free reign to teach them anything else.



perhaps we should not stop at guns. wanna teach children how to make explosives? wanna give them dynamite to play with? wanna send them to operate heavy machinery?

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
" People are trained in how to use power tools, to drive cars, and any number of things."
people. not children. you teach children how tie their shoes. and you gradually work your way from there. you don't teach them to use guns or drive cars. you don't teach them how to do beer stands, how to smoke, how to work in coal mines.

"You would not allow peopl ...[text shortened]... e explosives? wanna give them dynamite to play with? wanna send them to operate heavy machinery?

Cherry bomb ftw

How to tell the difference between gun-carry patriots and mass murderers:

http://boingboing.net/2014/06/11/tom-the-dancing-bug-how-to-te.html

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
" People are trained in how to use power tools, to drive cars, and any number of things."
people. not children. you teach children how tie their shoes. and you gradually work your way from there. you don't teach them to use guns or drive cars. you don't teach them how to do beer stands, how to smoke, how to work in coal mines.

"You would not allow peopl ...[text shortened]... e explosives? wanna give them dynamite to play with? wanna send them to operate heavy machinery?

Finding the worse examples of abuse of children does not change the fact
that those that are properly trained to respect life will do so. If they are
also properly trained in the lawful use of firearms and everything else they
need that they will with that training be lawful and not be a threat to
themselves or others around them.

I'm quite sure that we can find some hatemongers that do not teach their
kids the proper respect for life (or they have some segment they hate) and
will pass that down to their kids. Those people are not doing what I suggest
needs to be done to make firearm safety a good thing. This goes to the
hearts of those teaching, what is the goal and so on. I submit it is the hate
that is dangerous with these more so than the firearm training!

Saying I agree with people training their kids on things they think they need
to know does not mean that I agree with every persons action on every
topic.
Kelly

Originally posted by vivify
How to tell the difference between gun-carry patriots and mass murderers:

http://boingboing.net/2014/06/11/tom-the-dancing-bug-how-to-te.html

Funny but hardly truthful.

Originally posted by normbenign
Funny but hardly truthful.

Are you saying you could tell the difference?