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  1. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    13 Jul '09 13:38
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8145541.stm


    If a last-minute legal challenge fails, from Tuesday, gun owners in the state will be allowed to carry their weapons in a lot more public places - including bars and restaurants.

    ...

    State legislators - a quarter of whom own firearms - have passed a law allowing guns into bars and restaurants, but preventing their owners from buying alcohol.

    ...

    "We don't need vigilantism inside my business," he (restaurant owner) says. "I'm a gun owner, I have a gun at my home, but I keep it there, not at a public place where many people's lives can be threatened.

    And he has support from the city's police chief, Ronal Serpas, who does not believe that people who walk into bars with guns will steer clear of the shot glasses.

    "If you think about how alchohol influences the choices people make... I don't believe people are not going to drink and have guns, because I know they drink and drive," he says.



    Ok, so it's the Wild West again. Yeeee haaaaaa!

    In my opinion, if you keep the gun at home, it's ok because you're protecting your home from some armed burglar. But in the streets? C'mon, what's the police for?! And as the Chief says: 'people drink and drive', what may stop them from drinking and feeling macho and playing with the gun?

    I say it is a step backwards... back to the 1800s!
  2. 13 Jul '09 14:46 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Seitse
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8145541.stm


    If a last-minute legal challenge fails, from Tuesday, gun owners in the state will be allowed to carry their weapons in a lot more public places - including bars and restaurants.

    ...

    State legislators - a quarter of whom own firearms - have passed a law allowing guns into bars and restaurants, but and playing with the gun?

    I say it is a step backwards... back to the 1800s!
    Our state legislature is deciding on whether or not to allow guns in bars. When thinking about this, keep in mind that with the anti-smoking laws, smoking is forbidden in bars.
  3. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    13 Jul '09 17:27
    LMAO!

    Indeed, nice approach
  4. 13 Jul '09 17:54 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Seitse
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8145541.stm


    If a last-minute legal challenge fails, from Tuesday, gun owners in the state will be allowed to carry their weapons in a lot more public places - including bars and restaurants.

    ...

    State legislators - a quarter of whom own firearms - have passed a law allowing guns into bars and restaurants, but and playing with the gun?

    I say it is a step backwards... back to the 1800s!
    Isn't the police supposed to catch burglars as well?
  5. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    14 Jul '09 09:58
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Isn't the police supposed to catch burglars as well?
    I thought so too.
  6. 14 Jul '09 12:39
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Isn't the police supposed to catch burglars as well?
    Yeah if someone breaks into your home at night just call the police and everything will be just fine.
  7. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    14 Jul '09 12:41
    Originally posted by Sam The Sham
    Yeah if someone breaks into your home at night just call the police and everything will be just fine.
    So, Sam, what do you think about guns in bars and restaurants?
  8. Standard member PBE6
    Bananarama
    14 Jul '09 13:27
    Originally posted by Seitse
    So, Sam, what do you think about guns in bars and restaurants?
    Nobody's going to forget my side Caesar salad ever again, that's for sure.

    But this is ludicrous. In Ontario, you can't even bring your gun to a shooting range without traveling on a prescribed route. I can't believe how lax the gun laws are in the US, so much so that proposing allowing guns in bars or restaurants doesn't immediately set of the crazy alarm.

    Of course, if the King of England ever shows up at the local Denny's trying to push Americans around, I will consider changing my mind.
  9. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    14 Jul '09 13:30
    Originally posted by Seitse
    So, Sam, what do you think about guns in bars and restaurants?
    Let the owners of bars and restaurants decide and set the terms and conditions for entry to their property. Customers can then choose to patronise either gunless bars or otherwise, same with the smoking ban.

    I know in which bar the customers would be extremely polite.
  10. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    14 Jul '09 13:42 / 1 edit
    Interesting point of view, die cheeseburger.

    These figures are from 2000-2003 but I think they're interesting. Could you draw some conclusions out of it?

    Tobacco - 435,0001
    Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity - 365,0001
    Alcohol - 85,000
    Microbial Agents - 75,000
    Toxic Agents - 55,000
    Motor Vehicle Crashes - 26,347
    Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs - 32,000
    Suicide - 30,622
    Incidents Involving Firearms - 29,000
    Homicide - 20,308
    Sexual Behaviors - 20,000
    All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000
    Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin - 7,600
    Marijuana - 0

    Source: http://drugwarfacts.org
  11. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    14 Jul '09 13:52
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Interesting point of view, die cheeseburger.

    These figures are from 2000-2003 but I think they're interesting. Could you draw some conclusions out of it?

    [b]Tobacco - 435,0001

    Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity - 365,0001
    Alcohol - 85,000
    Microbial Agents - 75,000
    Toxic Agents - 55,000
    Motor Vehicle Crashes - 26,347
    Adverse Reactions to Pres ...[text shortened]... ammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin - 7,600
    Marijuana - 0

    Source: http://drugwarfacts.org[/b]
    Yeah, mind your own business.
  12. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    14 Jul '09 13:54
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Yeah, mind your own business.
    So, basically, you're all for Old West living, right?

    You know, people hanging around on their steel horses, carrying their .44 or their .38
  13. 14 Jul '09 13:57
    I'm gonna git me a Vulcan cannon and a really big ankle holster.
  14. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    14 Jul '09 13:57
    Originally posted by Seitse
    So, basically, you're all for Old West living, right?

    You know, people hanging around on their steel horses, carrying their .44 or their .38
    Yes, I might choose to enter a bar like that, but then again I might not, maybe I've already experienced a bar like that. That would be between me and the bar owner and have absolutely nothing to do with you.
  15. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    14 Jul '09 14:01
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Yes, I might choose to enter a bar like that, but then again I might not, maybe I've already experienced a bar like that. That would be between me and the bar owner and have absolutely nothing to do with you.
    Dude, chill, you're a dork and your agressive typing is just... well... typing.

    Do you grow nuts when behind a keyboard or what?